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          The National Midnight Star, Number 688

                  Thursday, 27 May 1993
Today's Topics:
                 Rediscover the magic...
      Re: 05/26/93 - The National Midnight Star #687
               Re:Becoming addicted to Rush
        05/26/93 - The National Midnight Star #687
      Re: 05/26/93 - The National Midnight Star #687
              Re: Getting hooked on Rush...
      Longest before vocals, and such randomness...
          Worst guitar solo (By a great player)
                         RTB Rap
     Rap in print, Title shock, and Rolling of Buses
                     Re: RTB rap, etc
                    Re:  RTB rap, etc.
                  Rush Vs Dream Theather
                   About Tush passwords
                      HYF debate...
                    Roll the Bones Rap
      Re: 05/26/93 - The National Midnight Star #687
                      Power Windows
                      Rush T-shirts
      Did Neil really write it? Re: Special Edition
                       lost address

Subject: Rediscover the magic...
Date: Wed, 26 May 93 10:28:46 PDT
From: Will Hartung - Master Rallyeist 

> From: (Russ Arcuri)
> I too felt exactly the same way about HYF when it first came out.  I really
> did hate it, and I even sold the CD to a used music shop after about a
> month.
> ...
> So, for about three years, I never bothered to listen to it and I trashed
> it when people talked about it.  Then, about two months ago, for no
> apparent reason, I decided to give it another listen.  This time, though, I
> listened to it like I was listening to a new group, with no preconceived
> notions about how it should sound.


> From:
> I, also, after hearing RTB pretty much dropped it out of my head and
> counted it as the least listened to disc of my collection, however...
> I've gone back to it and have begun to appreciate every aspect of the
> album. It is really an incredible disc and I only ask that you give
> it a second chance.

I think this is the one aspect of RUSH that has really captivated me
throughout the years. I find that I get myself into modes where I'll
listen to something from them, and then, in disgust, toss it back onto
the shelf where its sits unlistened.

Later, by some fluke maybe, or on a whim, I pull it out and throw it
into the CD player, only to rediscover it. Suddenly, I'm pulling the
albums out that surround it, or are in a similiar phase.

This happens continually. For the person who rated "Presto" last on
his list, he may turn that around in 6 months. Rush has changed enough
and has provided us with enough material that we can go through moods
with their music.

So, it's not which is their best or worst song/album/cover/producer
etc. It's who are you today what what mood are you in?

The best Rush is whatever is playing at the time. The worst, well it
has to be my track of Spirit of Radio...the one with the skip/stick in
it...that track really sucks :-) (so I got a new CD.....)



Date: Wed, 26 May 93 17:49:30 -0600
Subject: Re: 05/26/93 - The National Midnight Star #687

> I still don't like the rap (yes it's a rap, not a "spoken section" - a
>   "rose" by any other name still stinks).  But why didn't they print the
>   lyrics?  The reason I'm curious is, do they read "better run homeboy" or
>  "better run home boy"?  It makes a difference you know ;-)  If it IS
>  "home boy" it lends something to the whole argument that they may have been
>   more interested in poking fun than in exploring the current "music"al style.
>   Also, I agree with the idea that the voice distortion is poking fun too.
>   Not printing the lyrics could be all part of the subtle but vicious
>   stab at the rap "culture", as most rap lyrics are so shallow and
>   meaningless, that they are unfit for print (IMNSHO).
>I guess it still bewilders me that Rush even recorded something like this.  I.
>have trouble believing that it is anything but a joke.  But for me, it wasn'.t


I Also do not like the Rap section (although it is hard not to like
anything from Rush, or even force yourself to like since it is Rush
You just want to 'trust them' that it is good stuff, eventually
you will like it, but not this time.), but I can't convince myself it is a
joke.In a Peart interview (sorry, forgot the reference, but its in the ftp
files somewhere) I read that he considered Rap music "A genuine form of
musical anger and frustration".  So it seems to me they were playing with the
sound of Rap, and what resulted is not Rap, not a joke, just Rush experimenting
with a new musical sound.  But to me it sounds like Rap and regardless if its a
joke or not it is hard to 'get into' like 'normal' Rush music.
I also remember in the same interview that Geddy doing the voice was a result
of many auditions that were turned down.  They just couldn't find someone
they liked-for it made it sound "too Rapy".  As for the lyrics, it
definitely isn't "Rapy", it is more of the same theme of the rest of the
album: Chance, circumstances, Roll the Bones!



Date: Wed, 26 May 93 17:21:24 MST
From: (James R. Dorsett)
Subject: Re:Becoming addicted to Rush


>Since everybody is writing on how they started liking Rush, I'll put mine in.
>I had really only heard the "accessible" hits (i.e. Tom Sawyer, TSOR,
>etc...) but a friend of mind suggested that I join a computer e-mail Rush
>digest called none other then "The National Midnight Star".  So I subscribed
>and my interest in Rush increased exponentially!  So I have all of you to
>thank for getting me addicted to Rush!

I too am new to this group and am delighted to see this much effort for
the sake of Rush!
I have been an avid fan of the trio since about 1980 and I have since
claimed them my premier favorite.  Speaking of great bands, are there
any Great White fans out there?


| James R. Dorsett          | For you - the blind who once could see,  |
| Motorola GEG              |   The bell tolls for thee...             |
| Scottsdale, Arizona       |                - Neil Peart, "Losing it" |


Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 20:26:12 -0400
Subject: 05/26/93 - The National Midnight Star #687

When you thought you'd heard it all:

|I am curious as to how many people who subscribe to this news letter
|uses words relating to RUSH as their passwords?

Oh, yes -- my password is 'GeddyLee'.

Seriously, does anyone really think that they're going to admit their
passwords on TMNS? I hope not...

|DOn't you think this is a large security risk if you do?

Not as big as *telling* people your password, no.

D.I.Y -- Do It Yourself (Peter Gabriel, 1978)


Date: Wed, 26 May 93 19:17:30 PDT
From: "dkumasaw.US1" 
Subject: Re: 05/26/93 - The National Midnight Star #687

In-Reply-To:'s message of 05-26-93 16:01

>Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 09:20 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "R. ALAN MONROE" 
>Subject: RTB rap part live
>>  My only complaint is that they did not perform the rap *LIVE* in
>>concert.  The band really wimped out on that one.  That was the biggest
>>disappointment of the last tour.
>It would be terribly difficult for Geddy to keep in sync with the video
>of the bouncing skull mouthing the words.

Lame excuse, but if Geddy is really incapable of reverse lip-syncing then
they should get rid of the bouncing-skull video and replace it with a
close-up view of Geddy doing the rap *live*.  Personally, I go to concerts
to see bands actually perform the songs that they release - any extra
video effect should be a plus and not a substitution...

>From: (C.A. Peskin)
>Date: Tue, 25 May 1993 11:19:01 -0400 (EDT)
>I am curious as to how many people who subscribe to this news letter
>uses words relating to RUSH as their passwords?  DOn't you think this is
>a large security risk if you do?  Anyone with some brains could go
>through the list of people subscribing to the nms trying album and
>musician names as passwords.

Anyone with some brains could use a really obscure song title, lyrical
phrase, or trivia fact relating to RUSH as their passwords.  Those types
of passwords would be almost impossible to figure out, even if the
perpetrator *knew* that they related to RUSH.  *Obviously* using words like
"geddy" and "presto" might get you in trouble.



From: (Alyson L. Craft)
Subject: Re: Getting hooked on Rush...
Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 00:02:47 -0400 (EDT)

I guess you could say I'm fairly new to Rush, since I didn't really get into
them until last September, but the way I got hooked was listening to four
friends of mine do covers of Rush's stuff together.  The first Rush song I
ever heard was a medley they did of Xanadu/YYZ, then Time Stand Still.  My
friend who was the band's guitarist loaned me ASOH, and, well, the rest is
history, as they say.



Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 21:08:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris 'Mortimer' Chamberlin 
Subject: Longest before vocals, and such randomness...

Well, as the original poster on the "What's the longest time before the
vocals come in" thread, I thought I'd follow up.  Xanadu is indeed the
winner - the vocals come in at ~5:03, compared to ~4:28 for 2112 and
somewhat less for Hemispheres.

Hmm... seems to me that many of Rush's finest songs are also rather long
(Xanadu, 2112, The Camera Eye, Natural Science, LVS, etc).  "Critical
Mass" would be made one better, IMHO, with a nice long song along those
lines.  I know Rush has moved beyond those epics of old, but a nice long
jam could be a real winner...

Next in the ever more obscure trivia - As Rush has "matured" (?), Geddy
has displayed an aversion to the "hey babys" of In The Mood, that eternal
staple of the concert-ending medleys.  What might be some of the words
he's replaced "baby" with?  How about a hint - in listening to my newly
aquired Spirit of St. Louis CD boot, he says something, but I can't figure
out what the hell it is.

By the way, The Spirit of St. Louis (from the PeW tour, as you might have
guessed) is a fine boot - a definite highlight of it is Natural Science,
never a favorite of mine until I got this version.  Also recently aquired
is Over The Europe, which is just as good as everyone else has been claiming.

-- Chris


Date: 27 May 1993 01:40:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Worst guitar solo (By a great player)

I don't seem to recall any of Alex Lifeson's guitar solos as being "bad".
Some of them aren't very memorable though.  I would like to say that there
is one particular guitar solo by an INCREDIBLE guitarist that absolutely drives
me crazy over how sloppy it is and how it leaves me wincing everytime I hear
it.  I'm refering to Steve Howe's solo in "Heat of the Moment" on the first
Asia album.  I think that it just flat out sucks.  The structure is OK, but the
actual playing is horrible and there are some definite nonharmonic (out of key)
notes near the end of the solo.  Maybe he intended for the solo to sound like
it does in order to make a statement that even though he was in a "pop" band
he was still the same "art rocker" he had always been.  Maybe not.  I don't
think that Alex has done a solo that stands out as being so far beneath his
average output as Howe's solo on that song is from his usual virtuosic
performances.  Please feel free to flame me personally about this.

Could someone please send me the address for the Primus list?

Also, what particular song took the longest to get used to?  Mine is probably
"Vital Signs" from Signals.  I got the album in late '84 and had a difficult
time listening to that song until around late '91.  I don't know why, but it
freaks me out that I used to skip such an awesome song.  Oh well!

Tim Rouse


Subject: RTB Rap
Date: Thu, 27 May 93 7:09:58 GMT
From: Dominic Binks (Chris Bush) writes:

> 2) I still don't like the rap (yes it's a rap, not a "spoken section" - a
>   "rose" by any other name still stinks).  But why didn't they print the
>    lyrics?

They did on all the versions of RTB I have seen. (CD, Vynil and I pretty sure
their on the tape as well - it would be most unlike Rush to make such an
arbitrary distinction).

Dominic Binks                            
Department of Computer Science  |  University of Brsitol  | Bristol  | BS8 1US
"Meditation, 2. _spec_ (in religuous use): That kind of private devotional
exercise which consists in the coninuous application of the mind to the
comtemplation of some truth, mystery or object of reverence, in order that the
soul may increase in love of God and holiness of life." OED


Date: Thu, 27 May 93 10:49:29 BST
From: Russell Marks (Zgedneil) 
Subject: Rap in print, Title shock, and Rolling of Buses

In response to the 'printing of RTB rap lyrics', the lyrics (to the rap) are
certainly on the cassette inlay (although not integrated into the actual
song lyrics, maybe they didn't like it either Chris... :) ). I seem to
remember it as 'homeboy'. Sorry. MC Peeert strikes again I think.

> a large security risk if you do?  Anyone with some brains could go
> through the list of people subscribing to the nms trying album and
> musician names as passwords.

Hmmm... not sure I agree it's a security risk. Could be if you pick
something embarrassingly obvious like 'geddy' or - yes, you at the back
there, we know who you are - 'rush'. Mind you, 'Zgedneil' is an old password
of mine, I suppose that's a bit obvious really. Oh well. I'm sure you can
keep them obscure enough for it to not be a problem. Unless the cracker's a
major Rush fan, then you have problems. More to the point, I don't think
crackers deserve to be thought of as 'anyone with some brains'. Any *moron*
could do that. And no, fact fans, my current password is not Rush-related.
Used to be, though.

>Peter Collins was producing it, that it would be along similar lines to PW and
      AFAIK writing PW (not PeW or PoW) is a hanging offence... :)       ^^

> that the band has dumped Critical Mass as the title.  Is this news?  [...]

Mumble! If they dump Critical Mass as a title I will be one unhappy bunny. I
hope this is disinformation. Otherwise I hope the album is damn good to make
up for this.

> I have a suggestion.....We should keep a file with all of Neils writings.
> I big and huge file with all his writings.....He is such an excellent
> writer....
> albertr

Uh yeah, get typing... :)  I'll try to see if I've got anything else, but
I'm not sure. I've got exams next week too, but they don't matter (um...
HHOS on that one). Anyway, I certainly think that 'for whom the bus rolls'
is a seriously neat journal, and I really want to see the 1st bit! I think a
single file for all Neil's stuff is a bit awkward, maybe a separate directory
under 'special' on syrinx? Maybe all of the 'special' directory should be
sorted into directories like this? Maybe I should stop saying 'maybe'?

It's all too much. I'm so stressed I may even do my coursework which has to
be in tomorrow... aaargh.
/*    _      _     ---- do *you* know where your disassembler is? ----
    /  /_/ _> /-,   russell marks : zgedneil :
                            "respond, vibrate, feed back, resonate"     */


From: Henrik Ahlgren 
Subject: Re: RTB rap, etc
Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 13:31:41 +0300 (EDT)

> I still don't like the rap (yes it's a rap, not a "spoken section" - a
> "rose" by any other name still stinks).  But why didn't they print the
> lyrics?  The reason I'm curious is, do they read "better run homeboy" or
> "better run home boy"?  It makes a difference you know ;-)  If it IS
> "home boy" it lends something to the whole argument that they may have been
> more interested in poking fun than in exploring the current "music"al style.

The lyrics ARE printed on the CD booklet (at least on my Atlantic
7 82293-2 CD), page 4, next to a picture of three rolling bones and
a dice window (?).

It goes: "Better run, homeboy"

henrik "pablo" ahlgren  ==  ==  sormeile lis{tietoja


From: "Larry (Q)" 
Subject: Re:  RTB rap, etc.
Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 07:22:32 -0400 (EDT)

Whadd'ya mean "why didn't they print the lyrics to the rap"???  I don't
remember them NOT printing them.  Here they are from memory (meaning
that I realize they could be wrong, so don't bother flaming):

(Reprinted without permission)

Jack, relax, get busy with the facts
No zodiacs or almanacs or maniacs in polyester slacks
Just the facts
Gonna kick some gluteus max
It's a parallax, you dig?
You move around, the small gets big, it's a rig
It's action, reaction, random interaction
So who's afraid of a little abstraction
Can't get no satisfaction from the facts
You better run home boy
A fact's a fact from Rome to Nome boy


(Shit, I can't remember the first phrase!)
blah blah blah, spin the wheel, if the dice are hot take a shot
Play your cards, show us what you got, what you're holding
If the cards are cold, don't go folding
Lady Luck is golden, she favors the bold
That's cold, stop throwing stones
The night has a thousand saxophones
So get out there and rock and roll the bones
Get busy!

Regarding the "homeboy" vs. "home boy", I remember commenting to myself
when I saw the words on the inner sleeve of the CD how great of a play
on words it was (then again, this is a long time ago, so again I could
be wrong).



From: (Baltasar Allende Reva)
Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 09:05:22 -0500
Subject: Rush Vs Dream Theather

WEll I went to check those famed Dream Theather band.....and here is the

Before the show started they played Limelight, and Freewill, which got me to
a good start.  The show begins........... The band can paly really good
live, the bassists was pretty incredible for the first 30 minutes, and then
he lamed out.  The keyboradist was really good.  the guitarist was really
good, the drummer was good with the band, but without the band all he did
was copy Neils drum solo.  Part of his solo was just like the solo from
ESL.  Anyways, the band can still a few lessons from Rush.  They defenetely
played very tight as a group.  They are up & comming.

TNMS shirt!  I couldn't believe the number of people that approached me...
I personally don't like the shirt that much, but it was a magnet.  

   [ A shame.. I'm sure if you mailed and returned
     the shirt she can provide you with the FULL refund, no questions
     asked, and that goes to anyone else too.             :rush-mgr ]

I met a guy that has seen Rush 22 times.  The first time he saw them was 
when they were opening for Blue Oyster Cult in Dallas.  He said they were 
no more that 700 people at the show.  He has alot of pictures of this, plus 
he meet the band 7 times.  I'll talk to him some more, and relay any good 
info here!



From: (Miguel Farah F.)
Subject: About Tush passwords
Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 10:35:58 -0600 (CST)

In TNMS 687, C.A.Peskin writes:
>I am curious as to how many people who subscribe to this news letter
>uses words relating to RUSH as their passwords?  DOn't you think this is
>a large security risk if you do?  Anyone with some brains could go
>through the list of people subscribing to the nms trying album and
>musician names as passwords.

Sure is a BIG RISK!!! Anyone could crack passwords this way - or even
worse: download Crack 2.0 and feed to it the Rush lyrics as a dictionary
and then run it - instantly any account with a Rush-related password will
be discovered. That's why I don't have passwords related to me in any way
- not things I like, not things I hate. Only things that do not have
anything related to me.

O.K.: sorry for the sermon, but now that he's talked about this I must
      warn you about all the possibilities.

BTW, I heard that the new album is not gooing to be calleeed _Critical
Mass_ anymore. You got any ideas on the new name? (I already was working
on a spoof of the album (_Cynical Mess_) - I guess I'll just have to
wait and think :-/.

MIGUEL FARAH            // "Trust me - I know what I'm doing."   //  - Sledge Hammer
#include  //


From: (Robert Reynolds)
Subject: HYF debate...
Date: Thu, 27 May 93 10:18:58 CDT

    Well,  I've been listening to all of the talk about who likes and dislikes
    HYF and I decided to add my thoughts on the matter.  I started listening
    to Rush at about the time of AFTK and PEW and started getting all of
    their albums.  I loved MP on the first listen but SIGNALS, P/G, and POW
    all took a breaking in time.  I bought HYF when it first came out and I
    absolutely hated it.  I bought PRESTO and had the same reaction.  I then
    went about 3 years without listening to any of the newer albums.  About
    the time RTB came out I decided to give the newer albums another
    chance and now I love them.  Go figure.  I don't really know why the
    initial dislike but I now think they are great albums that just happen
    to be a LOT different from the earlier albums.

   Robert Reynolds                      E-MAIL:
   AIX High Speed Commo Device Drivers  VNET:     ROBERTR at AUSTIN
   11400 Burnet Rd, 905/9551            Phone:    (512)838-3534 TL: 678-3534
   Austin, Tx 78758


Date: 27 May 1993 09:24:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Roll the Bones Rap

Hi Everybody.  In yesterday's post someone wrote about how they were
disappointed about Rush not playing the "rap" section live at the concer
t they went to.  I saw Rush last year in the early summer at the Pacific
Amphitheater in Irvine, CA, and they did perform it live.  It sounded
fantastic!!!  It was better than the studio version.  In fact, it was
pretty incredible.  There was an added keyboard part that complimented the
existing guitar/voice/drum parts perfectly.  IMHO, I think that if you are
completely disgusted/opposed/disappointed with the "rap" part, you should
go back and listen to it again from a Rush point of view, rather than a rap
point of view.  I am not a fan of rap music, and at first I was tripped out
that Rush could do something like this, but I have been a fan of theirs for
almost 20 years and I couldn't dismiss this song just because of a shallow
first impression and narrowmindedness.  I did go back and listen again, and
I'm glad I did.  It exhibits the precision and perfection that only Rush can
accomplish.  They have the ability to adapt and create the most incredible
music from the current styles that only one-hit-wonders can do only once.
If you still don't like it, that's okay, but do it from the point of view
you would dislike something of theirs and not blame it on Rap music.

They did not sell out.

See ya

Missy Schmit
Claremont, CA


From: tm1cy1 
Date: Thu, 27 May 93 17:35:48 BST
Subject: Re: 05/26/93 - The National Midnight Star #687

Subject:- RTB rap part live.

Did they not perform the rap live in the US?  When I saw them at Wembley in 
London, they performed it really quite well, I was quite amazed... the 
Skeleton was on Video singing, it would stop then RUSH would continue, they 
would stop, and then the Skeleton would carry on singing.. etc...

And.. thats all I have to say really.,...

ta da..

Marcus T-M.



Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 13:16 EST
Subject: Power Windows

Hey everyone!

I have been a member of this list for 2 years now and I don't remember ever
seeing this brought up when people talked about the symbolism of album covers.
I FINALLY bought Power Windows on CD and when I looked at the cover I noticed
that the picture on the inside (the kid with the binoculars) is also
superimposed on the screen of the large TV set on the front cover.  Check it


  ########       #     #            Kevin Ryan Patrick Kirwan
 #        #      #     #            Sophomore
#  #      #    # # # # # #          Political Science & History
   #######       #     #            The University of Pittsburgh
   #        #    #     #  
   #        #    #     #
   #    #   #   # #   # #  #        "Hail to Pitt!"
   #     ### ###   ###   ##


Date: Thu, 27 May 93 13:18:00 -0400
From: swaminathan gangadharan 
Subject: Rush T-shirts


   I am very interested in getting RUSH T-shirts. Could someone tell
me a good place to try?

  Swami Gangadharan

  Focussed high on soaring ambitions
  Consumed in a single desire


Date: Thu, 27 May 93 14:48:11 CDT
From: (Nick Bruels  {x66705 CF/DEV})
Subject: syrinx:/rush/incoming

Hi everyone!

'Been a while since I've posted.

"right to the heart of the matter":  I took the liberty of uploading a
silly little .au file that I made last summer, when I first started
playing around with _audiotool_.

I think (hope) most of you would enjoy it.

I can upload .voc or .wav versions, if there's any interest, but please
mail me directly.


Nick "superior cynic" Bruels


Date: Thu, 27 May 93 18:17:14 CDT
From: (David Drum)
Subject: Did Neil really write it? Re: Special Edition

I don't remember seeing any source cited.  I find it difficult to
believe he would have made something like that public.

I hope I'm wrong . . . ;-)


David (ignore From: line)


Subject: lost address
From: (Frank Schaapherder)
Date: Thu, 27 May 93 16:29:21 CET

Sorry for posting this message here, but I accidentally purged
my mail. Randy and Keith, we were swapping boots, and now I lost your
addresses. Could you send me some mail. The tapes are ready!!

   [ Now now Frank, isn't that stuff forbidden>  :-)   rush-mgr  ]

Sheep = Frank Schaapherder                      redrehpaahcS knarF = peehS
      If you don't have to do anything, please don't do it here....


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