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         The National Midnight Star, Number 1035

                Wednesday, 7 December 1994
Today's Topics:
                  This grammar thing...
Re: RED SECTOR A...why the song has this title...I think I know!
                A Few Things From NMS 1029
                  a little more privacy
                     What's his name?
                        MY opinion
                    2nd Ultimate Band
                 request for old programs
               Beyond Borders!!!/New Album
                     Almost forgot...
     Re: 12/01/94 - The National Midnight Star #1030
                       Red Sector A
                 Drumming/Peart question
               Columbia House Phone Number?
                   Songs played Live...
                  Hardrock poll results
     Re: 12/01/94 - The National Midnight Star #1030
         'Bout time for another video collection!
                      All this talk
               Roll the Bones recordings!!
                     Brasileiros ???
                      ATWAS Omission
                       dream lineup
                     Musical Taste...
               Peart's Politcal Philosophy
                   Meaning of the Pass
               Looking for a good bootleg?

Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 21:33:37 +0600 (CST)
From: Chris Pardua 
Subject: This grammar thing...

After replying a little too hastily to the original question about the
grammar in "Lock And Key," and thus watching the subsequent
responses...and THEN watching the posts arrive about
"why-don't-you-people-just-listen-to-the-music....," I felt I needed to

Why is grammar important?  Simply stated (or as simply as I can state it):
Any form of expression, be it written, spoken, drawn, painted, or
otherwise delineated in some visible or audible form, is a reflection of
the intelligence of the author/writer/painter, etc.  I don't think it
would be a logical fallacy for me to conclude that poor grammar on
anyone's part reflects a poor display of learning experience, and I will
even take that as far as to conclude that it occasionally reflects poor
intelligence.  What it comes down to is that *no one*, not even the great
God himself Neil (as he is so disrespectfully referred to in the digest
and on the newsgroup), has perfect one.  I think Neil has
addressed the idea of perfection and living up to ultra-high standards in
several places..."War Paint" immediately springs to mind.

A colleague of mine recently told me, "Bad grammar is like bad table
manners--no matter how hard one tries to conceal it, people still have a
tendency to notice."  Cliche as that sounds, it's true, especially when
one lives, works, and produces in a communication-based environment (such
as my English dept).  I don't think it's too accusatory on my part to
state that it's highly inconsistent to attack those who may be interested
in the formalities and structures of formal discourse while spending *far
too much time* nitpicking every single drum fill, guitar lick, and meaning
behind every written word.  Same argument:  shut up and listen.

This is not meant to be a flame, only an explanation on my part and on the
parts of those who happen to care about the forms in which artistic
communication are structured.  It's not that we have so much time on our
hands that we find ourselves grieving over every little
inconsistency...but have you ever tried to grade a stack of college
English papers, about 40 on a good weekend, and have to deal with tedious,
careless, avoidable grammar mistakes?  If so, then you know exactly what I
deal with; if not, try it and see how much you get to listen to your
favorite's like swimming through molasses.

And like I had said in an earlier post, Neil loses absolutely nothing by being
incorrect...I think his meanings transcend the boundaries and parameters of
grammar.  IMArrogantOpinion, he does fairly well for a high school
dropout...(sarcasm intended)...and extremely well for a self-made
Renaissance man (which I think I can quote him on, and which I think he
resembles more than any form of hero-worship).

Thanks for reading my 0.02...

Chris Pardua

"Help me Obi Wan, you're my only hope" (ad nauseum)--Princess Leia


Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 22:26:53 +0800
From: (poo-poo bee)
Subject: Re: RED SECTOR A...why the song has this title...I think I know!

My response to your theory on what it all meant is quite possibly seeped=
 with innate defense for my homeland and most assuredly not as intellectual=
 sounding as what you argued, for you are a most powerful arguer.  Though, I=
 assuredly cannot reciprocate as convincingly as you, I feel I must point=
 out where I am either in disagreement or at least in judgement of the tone=
 you employed.  All in friendly dispute, of course.
        "reds" is not an "American stereotype". In fact, the Soviets are=
 the ones who started coining the word way back with the Bolshevik=
 Revolution in 1914, if not before.  It was liberals vs. conservatives (red=
 & white, respectively) sa the Weimar Republic was struggling to get on its=
 feet. As we know the liberals won--at the time, that meant the people, who=
 opted for communism, believe it or not, thus the reds.  It was never "our"=
 idea nor our concoction.
"rockets red glare" does not have to be a blatant attack on the U.S. but=
 rather I see that whole verse line, not just those few words you quoted, as=
 well as the rest of the song, as a quib against ANYONE trying to do=
 something gloriously, albeit with false pretenses or hypocrisy or whatever=
 else that can get in the way of a truly good deed, and their failing to=
 meet the mark.  I believe that should be read as a generalized lyric=
 entirely.  As a part of the Anthem, it was chosen probably only to drive=
 the point home, considering Americans are something just about everyone=
 knows about and also probably their(Rush's) largest "consumers" (number of=
 fans).  thus, by using that phrase metaphorically, just about everyone can=
 understand clearly the point Peart is trying to make and can relate it to=
 their OWN situation/government or whatever you think it's screaming at.
        Furthermore, when you're going to launch such a strong polemic, you=
 musn't forget that it is YOUR idea, and not a fact.  In your dealings with=
 Neil, you constantly say, "Neil realized" this or "Neil thought" this.  I'm=
 afraid he might NOT have,you know.  You don't know what he thought.  And=
 although you preface your article with a disclaimer, upon reading it, it=
 seems as if you KNOW he said this.  Don't let your reader forget that it's=
 your opinion.  At least not a reader who may quickly question what you say,=
 such as myself. Primo Ejemplo!
That's all.  I still love you.  I just love my country more...I will=
 question ANY knock against it.  ANYWHERE.  anytime.  Tah-DAH!  This is the=
 first time I've ever really refuted anything.  I'm not quite as eloquent as=
 you, to say the least!! ha.  Love me?  love,

"Cuando tengas ganas de joder, jode."             --Picasso, 1902
"Qu=E9 palabra, 'ahora', qu=E9 est=FApida mentira."    --Julio Cort=E1zar


Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 23:55:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Gabriel Palczewski 
Subject: A Few Things From NMS 1029

	Yeesh I am behind on my NMS so I apologize if I might of
responded to 1017 stuff.

	For what is better phase of Rush I'd say (of the 3 periods I
classify them in) the 1974 - 1982 is the best. WHy? Because some of their
most powerful albums and classics like "Signals", "2112", and "Moving

	I think their worst (not to say it sucked it just didnt have the
power of the oldies) was the 1983 - 1990 phase. Now the Roll The Bones
and Counterparts phase begins. Rush seems to be using more of a.. I dunno
an alternative sound? I hate the word but their sound has turned to a
slightly more 90's bandish sound and something that could fit right in on
MTV's crappy Alternative Nation.

	For a dream band? Hmmmm I'd have to make a 4

1. Rock Band With Maximum of 2 Band Members

	Geddy Lee - Vocals, Keyboards (Rush)
	Neil Peart - Drums (Rush)
	Les Claypool - Bass (Primus)
	Lary Lollande - Lead Guitar (Primus)
	Jerry Cantrell - Rythm Guitar (Alice in Chains)

2. Industrial Band Max. 2 Members

	Al Jourgenson - Vocals, Guitars (Ministry)
	Paul Barker - Bass (Ministry)
	Trent Reznor - Vocals, Guitars (nine inch nails)
	Flood - Keyboards (various)
	Chris Connely - Keyboards (Revolting Cocks)

3. Heavy Metal Band Max. 2 Members

	Oderus Urungus - Vocals (GWAR)
	Jason Newstead - Bass (Metallica)
	Angus Young - Lead Guitar (AC/DC)
	Dr. Giggles - Keyboard (Prong)
	Dave Mustaine - Rythm Guitar (Megadeth)
	Lars Ulrich - Drums (Metallica)

4. Zany Combination Of Previous 3 Band

	Geddy Lee - Vocals (Rush)
	Les Claypool - Bass (Primus)
	Angus Young - Lead Guitar (AC/DC)
	Al Jourgenson - Guitars (Ministry)
	Jerry Cantrell - Ryhtm Guitar (Alice in Chains)
	Dr. Giggles - Keyboards (Prong)
	Lars Ulrich - Drums (Metallica)

	I cant think of the 1 person from a band bands. These may seem
silly and i know the last would never get together except in my dreams.
But oh well.


Date:         Thu, 01 Dec 94 23:58:51 EST
From: OttoPilat 
Subject:      a little more privacy

"Rush Made the Fans"
         -Great line Mr. Hannaman!

Thinking of this privacy topic, I can't help but be a little frustrated
sometimes by the lack of information on Rush, but the other side of me
doesn't want to see this band on Letterman one night and Leno the next.
Selling yourself that way can be really cheap.  Besides, I have thought
many times what I would say to any of the guys in Rush if I met them, but
nothing I can think of sounds unique or sometimes even intellegent.

I don't want to sound like Butt-head, "You guys are cool, huh...huh."
I appreciate what they do, and I let them live their lives.  Fair trade.

Otto Pilat


Date:         Fri, 02 Dec 94 00:33:08 EST
From: OttoPilat 
Subject:      What's his name?

Neil Peart-
Rhymes with peer, as in "peer pressure."

Kind of like good, better, best, you have pea, peer, Peart.
Thus, loosly translated, "Peart" means - "He who is without equal."

Or, since we are so concerned with English around here,
"He who is most equal"

I prefer the first definition since I don't want to associate Neil with
Napoleon the Pig.

(Definitions are from the OttoPilat dictionary of not-so-funny humor.)
     Thanks  -Otto


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 01:06:13 -0600 (CST)
From: "J. Baker" 
Subject: MY opinion

My opinion is this:

	"It was for me not you I came to write this song"  --N.P.

	This means Neil doesn't care what you opinions are about about
how bad presto sucks or what the best rush ablum is.  He doesn't and
neither do the rest of us so spare us the "My opinion" posts!

Geddy Bo Betty Me My Mo Meddy--


Subject: 2nd Ultimate Band
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:18:34 -0500 (EST)
From: "Stephen A Jankowiak" 

Someone commented the other day on their dream band.  My band would look like

Neil Peart: Drums

Geddy Lee : Bass(and occasional vocal)

Keith Emerson(of ELP): Keyboards

Steve Vai: Lead Guitar

Greg Lake: Vocals(and occasional rhythm guitar)

Just a thought,

A guy Named Steve


Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 09:38:25 -0500 (EST)
From: "MRGATE::\"A1::JBALOG\""
Subject: request for old programs

Does anyone know how or where I could obtain some old tour programs from
GUP and earlier? You can e-mail me privately at JBALOGDREW.EDU.
Any help will be greatly aprreciated. Thanks.

   [ I know the Rush Backstage Club carries tourbooks back to Signals (they
     sold out of MP I think...) anything earlier than that and you'll have
     to try Goldmine or a record convention in your area...        : rush-mgr ]


Date: 02 Dec 94 09:50:46 EST
From: Peter Chestna <>
Subject: Beyond Borders!!!/New Album

Does anyone out there have the sound page Alex did with Rik Emmett in a guitar
player several years ago called "Beyond Borders"???

I am compiling a tape of rare RUSH and the sound page I have is in bad shape and
I can't get a good recording from it.

Please e-mail me if you do so we can arrange something.

New Album rumor mill -

Neither S.R.O. nor Atlantic are saying anything about a new album.  In fact they
are almost too quick to deny it.  HMMM!!!

Only time will tell.




Date: 02 Dec 94 10:02:08 EST
From: Peter Chestna <>
Subject: Almost forgot...

An addendum to my request...

Does anyone have a good copy of Ged singing the Canadian Nation Anthem at the
World Series???

Contact me so we can strike a deal.



Subject: Re: 12/01/94 - The National Midnight Star #1030
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 15:06:24 +0000

Rob Kettenburg  wrote:
>	Rush has been my favorite band since 1976. I bought all of their
>albums, wore them out, bought all of their cassettes, wore them out, bought
>all of their CDs and had them stolen, and once again own all of their CDs,
>with copies on tape for the car. Like the typical rush fan, I've seen them in
>concert five times, own all of their tour books and t-shirts from the
>backstage club, and know every word and beat to every song, because I've heard
>them all thousands of times and never get tired of them. Their music is
>evolutionary and in my opinion they are easily three of the most talented
>musicians on Earth.

I really don't know if I could cope with loosing any of my CD/tape/LP
collection!! Rush (and the Floyd) are the two groups I _keep_on_ going
back to all the time! They can't be beaten.

btw, I'm also very pleased with my new subscription to TNMS! :) But I was
a little disapointed to find nobody else from the .uk domain in TNMS 1030!! :(

I must agree with
>                                                         I've been listening
>to Rush for 12 years and seen them in concert many times.I haven't met too
>many others (ok, one in college)
and whilst she may be saying 'many other' female Rush-ites, it's also true
for males in this country...... c'mon someone British, and living here, prove
me wrong :)

Nice to be among friends,

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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 10:09:49 EST
From: John Ambrose 
Subject: Red Sector A

Attention all Planets of the Solar Federation...

	This is in response to the recent post about "Red Sector A", and, in
fact, all of Grace Under Pressure having an anti-American theme.  I could not
disagree more strongly.

	First of all, the comparisons between "Red Sector A" and Nazi
concentration camps are obvious.  However, a fact that is often (and
delibrately) overlooked by the liberal media is that the Communists had
extermination camps which equalled, if not, surpassed the Nazis in
atrocities.  I think "RED Sector A" is an obvious reference to the very-real
Red Menace of the 1980's.  And, as usual, it takes an especially astute mind
like Neil's to point out what others have overlooked.

	Long before the Nazis came to power in Germany, the Communists were
slaughtering humans by the millions.  If you or your ancestors were not
"proletarians", you were murdered.  That is, without a doubt, the moral
equivalent of genocide.  All told, Joseph Stalin ALONE exterminated FORTY
MILLION people!  The Russian government just admitted to uncovering mass
graves containing up to 200,000 corpses!  And, don't forget that these
extermination camps existed long, long after the Nazis were removed from

	My point in all this is that in the 1980's the Communists were a very
real threat.  Liberals always turned a sympathetic ear towards Communism, and
I don't think a man like Neil would be so ignorant as to do so.  This dark,
brooding album, one of Rush's best, manages to convey the fear and agony we
all felt during the Cold War.

	But the point is that the Cold War is over.  We won.  We can all
sleep better now because, despite the frantic ravings of the Communist
sympathizers in this country (ie, liberals), Ronald Reagan had the courage
and fortitude to face down such bloodthirsty monsters as Andropov, Chernenko,
and Gorbachev.

	This should be obvious to all but the most biased, fanatical
left-wingers.  I certainly would not put Neil in that category.  Political
correctness DID exist back in the '80's, it just wasn't referred to as such.
In the 1980's, it was politically correct to criticize Reagan, and to be
sympathetic to Communism.  Neil is not now, nor was he then, a mindless
automaton, waiting to be programmed by the Left.

					--"laissez faire"


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 07:49:56 -0800
From: (Fournier)
Subject: Drumming/Peart question

Perhaps some one who knows more about drumming than I do can comment
on the following:

To me, track 18 on the Burning for Buddy disc, *Pick up the Pieces*
sounds an amazing amount like Leave that Thing Alone.  I hear sim-
ilarities both in the over all structure of the piece and in the
percussion line.  Does anyone else hear this too?

When you see *music by Lee & Lifeson* just what do they mean by that?
Clearly Geddy and Alex don't just hand Neil sheet music and tell him
to learn his part...isn't percussion considered music?

Just random thoughts on a rainy day...


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Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:13:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Edward T Schreiner  
Subject: sleep?!

okay, so i'm weird.  okay, so i'm out like a light when somebody starts
playing megadeth.  i'm sorry, but when geddy starts screaming "spinning,
whirling, still descending.  like a spiral sea, unending," i just start
to get very weary.  okay, so maybe "cygnus x-1" doesn't put the average
person to sleep, but you have to admit that some songs, like "fountain of
lamneth" have long mellow parts that might get a driver weary.  okay,
maybe not, i guess its just me.  well, can i help it if i have strange
habits?  i can't study at all if i don't have music playing.  i guess
that's it for me.
"when they turn the pages of history when these days have passed long
ago.  will they read of us with sadness for the seeds that we let grow?"


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:35:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Rohit Modak 
Subject: Columbia House Phone Number?

About a year ago, I asked for some Columbia House catalog numbers, and a
few people were kind enough to send them to me.  Someone also sent me the
Columbia House 800 phone number, but I lost it (of course).  Could
someone please do me the courtesy of sending me the phone number again?
Thanks, and sorry for the lack of Rush content.

Rohit Modak


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:51:47 -0500
Subject: Songs played Live...

   I went to the Presto Tour show in Toronto, and they played "Presto" so

   [ Perhaps you didn't have enough sleep, but they *never* played the song 
     'presto' in concert. Soundchecks yes, but Alex decided he didn't like the 
     way it sounded so they didn't play it. 			: rush-mgr ]


From: "Iron Will" 
Date:         Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:25:28 EST5EST
Subject:      Hardrock poll results

Re: results of the poll...

I am not going to put down a band that a lot of people seem to like...but
what is the deal with Queensryche being voted best Hardrock band?  I
 just don't see why... We all know the real winner should be... but I
guess there is no accounting for taste!  At least Neil was voted best
drummer (of course)...


"Suddenly you were gone...of all the lives you
 left your mark upon..." - AI/R


From: CHI1N3AC 
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:12:25 GMT
Subject: Re: 12/01/94 - The National Midnight Star #1030

Hello all you Rush fans out there!!!
    this is just a little note to you all to say that rush are even liked as
far away as China !!! Pity they never play there, though. I was on a
study leave in China a couple of years ago and I met a girl ( a local
girl ) and I managed to get her hooked on Rush by playing 'Time
Stand Still' To her about seven million times. She now has Chronicles
and her favourite song is 'Ghost of a Chance' (off RTB-and yes, I know
that's not on Chronicles).
    Somebody was asking for the chords for Trees. I've got the whole
tab for that and for La Villa Strangiato if they want.....
    Anyway, enough of this useless babble, speak to y'all soon !


Subject: 'Bout time for another video collection!
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 13:10:35 EST
From: Keefe R. Coble 

Hello to the greatest fans in the world!

     I just thought I would bring up the point that the boys need to
come out with another video collection sometime in the near future.
Do you all agree?  I mean,  the last time I saw a video from Presto,
on that ever so wonderful MTV, was when astronauts landed on the
moon, or something.  It's pretty sickening, if you ask me.  The only
time you can enjoy a good Rush video, is when they gather them all
up, and throw them all on VHS.  I have to go to my neighborhood J.C.
Penny store just to see the video for Nobody's Hero on one of their
monitors, because that seems to be the only place that plays it.  It
probably will take one more album to come out, before another video
collection is released, but I hope not much longer after that.  Those
Black & White videos from Presto really kicked ass, from what I
remember, and I really miss seeing them.  Ok, I've complained long
enough, so I'll stop, so other people will have some room to write.
Rock on!


Date: Wed, 30 Nov 94 09:40:25 PST
Subject: All this talk

   All I have to say about the grammer thing and these rumors about new albums 
(though I hope there is a new release soon ... C'mon boys, hurry up!) is:

       Everyone knows everything
       and noone's ever wrong - until later. (Screamed like Geddy here)

Asta luigi dudecyciles!
Vlad The Inhaler
(Paul Manoogian)
"It isn't description, so much as disguise."
                             - Amiee Mann
CIS     : 76646,3542
AOL     : pjminhaler


Date: Fri, 02 Dec 1994 13:20:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Roll the Bones recordings!!

	Hey, I'm really trying to find a great live recording from the Roll The
Bones Tour.  If any of you out there (probably a few million) would either mail
me or respond to this post on the list and tell me what you think is the best
RTB boot/import out there.  I am really looking for a good recording of
BRAVADO, so if any of you out there can help, I'd appreciate it.  Thanks.

Eugene E. Szucs  | "It is a new age.  It requires a new evil.  And I am that
University of Dayton | new evil.  I am the vampire for these times." -Lestat----
 "Everything's blue in this world. . . The deepest shade of mushroom blue. . .
All fuzzy. . . spilling out of my head" -Nine Inch Nails "The Downward Spiral"


From: (Carlos Antonio D. Alves)
Subject: Brasileiros ???
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:40:12 -0300 (GRNLNDST)

	Gostaria de saber se tem algum brasileiro cadastrado nessa lista,
que queria trocar correspondecias eletronicas ???

          Carlos Antonio Dias       Instrutor de Informatica
          UENF.BR                                *Domain.BR
 Campos dos Goytacazes - RJ - Brasil
          Tel.: +55-0247-239810


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:49:55 -0600
From: (Thad Thompson)
Subject: reissues

It may just be me, but I feel that in the spirit of many prog-rock reissues
going on right now (Yes, Genesis, King Crimson five years ago), Rush should
remaster and rerelease the catalog. I know on some of the more recent CD's
it would be pointless, but here's my idea. Replace the catalog from '74 to
'85. And not just the music, but the entire packaging to include the
original artwork and lyrics. To give an example, take CoS. I have the CD
here at school and the original LP back home. The sound on the CD is
already excellent, but the packaging? The insert in one piece, no foldout!
All it has is a reproduction of the cover and and a track listing on the
inside. Meanwhile, the LP has great artwork (back cover, too!), concert
photos of the band, and all of the lyrics in Olde English type.
Reissuing the catalog with all the original artwork could also make new
Rush fans be able to better understand the music: If you just got 2112,
wouldn't it make more sense with the lyrics AND the narrative pieces
between them? Plus, there are great photos missing from the CD inserts that
do have lyrics. Moving Pictures w/ out a shot of Neil?!? That would have to
be the first. Also, good pictures on the LP of PeW that aren't in the CD
insert, and Alex's picture in the Hemispheres insert..... well, he kind of
looks like a mannequin, doesn't he?
Anyway, I'll leave this topic for all of you to discuss. Any other suggestions?

               "Why should I be tarred with the epithet 'looney,'
                     merely because I have a pet halibut?"
                                    -John Cleese
                "Jazz is not dead, it just smells funny."
                                    -Frank Zappa
   "Except for the handcuffs, this is the best cup of coffee I've ever had."
                                    -a drunk guy in the Sewanee jail


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:16:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Roman Koshykar" 
Subject: ATWAS Omission

In response to Jeff Waite's question about the omission of "What You're
Doing" off of ATWAS in TNMS #1030:

The omission is explained in the liner notes:

" 'What You're Doing' has been omitted in order to release 'All The World's
A Stage' as a single compact disc"

I guess it was a space saving thing - the CD is already 73:40 minutes.  On
the cassette version of ATWAS (which I don't own, but have seen in a record
store), "What You're Doing" is the last track.  As far as the omission of "A
Passage to Bangkok" goes, I don't know.  The track is on the cassette
version of ESL, which I own.  Incidentally, my uncle owns the vinyl ESL,
which I have not listened to.  Silly me.

Also, to address the topic of Album Numero Uno from the Greatest Rock Trio
Ever, the first time I heard "Finding My Way", I immediately thought
Zeppelin.  After listening to the album some more, I realized that it really
wasn't as spacy as Zep; that it had a more down-to-earth quality to it.  I
haven't listened to Rush#1 in a while.  Maybe I should give it a spin
tonight, for old time's sake...

This posting marks my first posting to TNMS.  I was thrilled to come across
it (actually, a friend of mine, the same friend who got me into Rush in the
first place, gave the address to me).  I am so glad that there are
multitudinous Rush fans I can get in touch with.  I'm at Cornell, and so far
I have only met ONE PERSON who confessed to being a fan.  Wow.  If any other
Rush fans at Cornell read this, or if anyone else out there has an opinion
on Rush#1, feel free to e-mail me at  Thanx, and may
you're heart and mind be united in a single, perfect, sphere.



Date:         Fri, 02 Dec 94 15:33:23 EST
From: Brad 
Subject:      dream lineup


I simply couldn't pass up the oppurtunity to throw out my two cents worth in
response to greg's post about dream lineups.  I'll take the challenge and keep
my lineup to one member from a single group.  Here goes:

Drums:  Neil Peart
Guitar:  David Gilmour
Bass:  Les Claypool (styles might clash, but he's best alternative to Geddy)
Vocals:  David Gilmour (sings great too!)
Lyrics/concepts:  Hands down, Roger Waters (He's solo now ya know)
Cover design:  Hipgnosis.

Throw in any amount of members, and imagine what could be if Floyd and Rush
ever got together on an album.  If that were to happen, I could die in peace.
Maybe the universe would align.  The two are, without a doubt, two of the
greatest conceptual bands of all time.  Just some food for thought.

                         Brad "who knows the pros and cons of hitchiking"


From: Simon Long 
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 16:20:50 GMT
Subject: Musical Taste...

Hi All,
	Several people seem to have taken exception to the fact that
I said in a previous digest that I thought that early 80's Rush albums
contained 'fillers'. Allow me to elaborate...
        I have a collection of some 250 CDs. Of these, maybe 10 percent
are Rush albums. There are probably only one or two artists who I have
more albums by - I consider Rush to be one of my favourite bands, easily in
the top 5.
        BUT, this does not mean that I feel obliged to think that every
song they have ever recorded is staggeringly good. I would probably
classify a third of the Rush songs I have heard as brilliant, a third as
pretty good, and a third as mediocre. I am not knocking their musical
abilities; all of them are superb musicians, and I am hard-pressed to
think of a bad performance on a Rush album. However, some of the songs
just don't do anything for me - either the music or the lyrics (or both) just
fail to move me. In this category I would put most of 'Signals' and about
half of both 'Moving Pictures' and 'Grace Under Pressure'.
        Take 'MP'. 'Tow Sawyer' - brilliant. 'Red Barchetta' - brilliant.
'Limelight' - pretty damn good. 'YYZ' - not bad at all. But the other three?
'The Camera Eye', in my opinion, is about two minutes of good music padded out
to last ten. 'Witch Hunt' - I think it's boring. Can't even remember what
the other song on 'MP' is at the moment. But if it moved me, I think I would
be able to at least remember its title...

   [ You're missing "vital signs" :-)				: rush-mgr ]

        Rush are an excellent band - one of the best. But I am not so
blinkered as to be able to say 'Rush rule - everyone else sucks', 'cos that
just ain't true. My favourite band of all time is probably Marillion - out
of 5 albums they recorded while Fish was the vocalist, I like all but say
2 or 3 tracks. But I admit that even they have recorded what I would consider
to be sub-standard material.
        Cut down on the total hero-worship - be a little critical. It'll
expand your horizons no end.
Hope I haven't offended too many of you this time around - flames to /dev/null

                       Simon Long 
       Opinions expressed above are my own and not those of my employer.
'Grey would be the colour, if I had a heart' - Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails


Subject: Peart's Politcal Philosophy
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 17:12:31 -0500 (EST)
From: "Charles Joseph Berch" 

I recall in the past having seen some speculation in the past about whether
Neil Peart was conservative or liberal in his political persuasion.  I would
like to offer my own theory:  Neil's lyrics indicate that he would most closely
be a Libertarian.  I will discuss this by using a few examples from his lyrics.

>From Witchhunt:  "Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us
from ourselves."  Libertarianism advocates a high degree of personal liberty,
and therefore calls for the decriminalization of victimless crimes.  These
include drug use, gambling, and prostitution.  Laws which make these
activities illegal make criminals out of otherwise law abiding citizens.
They are illegal because they either have could potentially harm those who
partake in such activities, or else they are considered "immoral" by the
predominating Judeo-Christian population.  The U.S. government is definitely
trying to "rise and save us from ourselves."  So much for separation of
church and state.

>From Hemispheres:  "We can walk our road together, if our goals are all the
same We can run alone and free, if we persue a different aim, Let the truth
of Love be lighted, let the love of truth shine clear, Sensibility, armed with
sense and LIBERTY, with the Heart and Mind united in a single perfect sphere."
Another Libertarian philosophy is embodied in these lyrics.  Libertarians try
to accept and respect other people's lifestyles and philosophies, so long as
they are conducted in a peaceful manner which does not infringe upon other
people's rights.  These lyrics also call for sensibility, armed with sense and
liberty.  Libertarianism advocates a high amount of personal freedom, but at
the same time realizes that in order to have democracy, you must also have
sensibility and responsibility.

>From Anthem:  "Live for yourself, there's no one more worth living for, ragged
hands and bleeding hearts will only cry out for more."  Libertarians advocate a
high degree of personal responsibility, and believe that welfare systems are
not only unfair to those who work for a living, but also imprisons those who
are recipients of the system, because they basically don't know any other means
of making a living.  This is evident by the several growing amounts of 3rd and
4th generation welfare families.  This is not to say however, that Libertarians
don't believe that they shouldn't help fellow humans, but rather that they
should be able to do it by their own choice instead of being forced to give
money to an inefficient, expensive, and bloated beauracracy such as the U.S.
Government's Dept. of Social Services.

There are several other songs, such as Freewill which are also good examples
of Libertarian Philosophy.  I won't go into further detail because I would like
to keep the content of this post mostly related to Rush.  I am not saying that
Neil is a Libertarian, but rather that the philosophy embodied in many of
his songs mirror Libertarianism.  For those who would like to find out more
about the Libertarian Party, you can call 1-800-682-1776 (U.S. only).  And
if you are a subscriber to America Online, check out the Libertarian forum


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 19:01:44 -0600 (CST)
From: "Mark D. Lamoree" 
Subject: Meaning of the Pass

       >From what I can tell, The Pass is, in essence, a letter to someone who
has committed suicide.  Thus, the line "Christ, what have you done?" is
directed to that person as an expression of the grief, anger, and
disillusionment that results from the suicide of a friend or loved one.
        Neil apparently also broaches the issue of suicide in "Afterimage"
from GUP.  This leads me to believe that Neil knew someone who killed
themself.  "The Pass" and "Afterimage" seem like the work of someone
trying to exorcise his mental demons.  Also, the description of the
emotional aftermath seems to vivid to be a simple pontification on the
issue.  Of course, this is just a hypothisis.  If anyone can confirm,
deny or debate the notion please feel free to e-mail me or respond in the
Mark D. Lamoree                      :  I Am Not a Number, I Am a Free Man!             :                  -#6
Loyola University, Chicago           :  My Mind Is Not For Rent.
Citizen, Patriot, Gun Owner          :                  -Howard Roark
               If The Dream Is Won, Though Everything Is Lost,
           We Will Pay the Price, But We Will not Count the Cost -Neil Peart


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 21:16:12 -0500 (EST)
From: David Mcleod Jordan 
Subject: Looking for a good bootleg?

I was browsing through a record show this summer and I ran across a
bootleg CD called "Rush 'N' Roulette '94."  It's a two disk recording of
the Cp tour.  It was priced about forty dollars higher than all of the
other Rush compilations in the stack.  The reason was the sound quality.
This CD had the most amazing sound I have ever heard for a
bootleg.  Check it out if you're interested.  Be careful, however in that
I think there is a similar cd set with the same title from a different tour.

I also found a copy of a radio promo done just prior to fbn.  The reason
it caught my eye is that it includes a couple of Rush tracks I have never
heard before (and I have every album).  One was a
Beatles Cover.  The songs was "Bad Boy" and the other was "Can't you
See."  The date on the tape was 1974, and I believe it was copied from a
CD, but I don't know the title. I noticed someone mentioned these in the
NMS the other day.  What is the "official" name of this bootleg, or is
there such a thing as an official name for a bootleg?  Also, has anyone
ever heard of RUSH ever doing any sort of an unplugged concert (radio
show, small club, etc.)?

 -What you own is your own kingdom-
 -What you do is your own glory-
 -What you love is your own power-
 -What you live is your own story-
		-Something for Nothing, 2112-


P.S.  RUSH is a dynamic group because of its multiple musical styles.
They appeal to different people for different reasons.  To try to pick
out their weakest album is impossible, because everyone has their own
opinion.  Personally I don't believe in a weak RUSH album; the phrase
itself is an oxymoron.  Express your opinion, but respect the opinions of


Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 21:15:11 -0500 (EST)
From: brian l gira 


I have some bootleg questions for anyone out there who could possilbly
give me information that will lead to capture of them!.

First of all, are there any HIGH QUALITY Signals Tour boots out there,
either video or audio?  I know of the video from Montreal and it is
beyond bad quality, so please don't even mention it!  I assume there has
to be others out there from other dates of the tour.

Second, I have some very rare clips of videos (I use the term video
loosly!) and I want to know some more about them.
One is a professionally shot performance of La Villa, starting at the
beginning of the 7/8,
going all the way to the end and then starting the first swirl of the
space sound from the 2112 intro.  It then ends.  This is from the Pinkpop
festival in Holland 1979.  It's absolutely awesome! The only problem is
that its quite regeneratd and the audio signal to noise ratio is pretty
low.I would like to know if the whole set was filmed and if so where I
 could possibly obtain this treasure.  I got my copy from a fanatic
friend who got it from a fanatic friend who got it .... and so on, so
 I really don't know who has the

The other rare video clip I have is a professionally shot clip of The
Temples of Syrinx from what seems to be a Permanent Waves tour date,
judging by their hairstyles and instruments. This video's quality is a
bit better and the sound is acceptable.  If anyone knows anything about
these videos I would greatly appreciate the help.

Also, if anyone is interested in trading rarities (ie live shows, extinct
MTV videos not on Chronicles) either audio or video, contact me to
discuss what differs in our collections.  By the way, I'm also a HUGE
Genesis (pre Abacab era) fan, so if you want to trade Genesis boots
contact me!

Thank you.     Brian Gira

                        GO BLUE!


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