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The National Midnight Star, Number 171

Thursday, 14 February 1991
Today's Topics:
(none)
Grace Under Pressure
Red Cross
Rush and two sets
Various and Sundry Topics....
Redd Kross and the McDonald bros.
Mindless Idolatry
Max Webster & Rush, Canadian CD's
Open Secrets, Kim Mitchell
Kim's New Years Eve Concert
stuff
Another La Villa note...
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From: Editor, The National Midnight Star (It's true!) <rush-mgr>

First of all, for those sticklers for accuracy, Syrinx was upgraded
from Ultrix 4.0 (beta) to Ultrix 4.1 (not real 4.0 as I stated previously).

Secondly, something has happened which has upset me.  One of the list
members has apparently posted an issue of this digest to a Usenet newsgroup.
For some strange reason, the group was "alt.sex".  I've spent a good portion
of the morning figuring out who did it, following up the original post with
an official apology and disclaimer, and replying to all the mail from people
asking why it was posted there.  Now, the heat concerning Rush postings is
bad enough in rec.music.misc, where such stuff belongs; I don't need extra
flak from totally unrelated newsgroups to worry about.

The person who did this has been removed from the list pending a good
explanation.  If I'm not satisfied, or they don't reply, I won't reinstate
them.  I perceive this as a violation of Usenet protocol; the re-posting
of a moderated digest without the moderator's knowledge or permission.
What if this were a personal mailing list?  Things could have been a lot
worse.

I have no problems with people setting up local redistribution sites
for the digest, or for forwarding digests to other people interested in
Rush and their music.  I'd prefer they get directly on the list (in the
latter case), but I won't object if notified.  I realize that once the
NMS leaves Syrinx, it's at the mercy of the net, but I take a dim view of
obvious abuses.

Also, for some reason the 'rush/incoming' directory of the anonymous
ftp setup had been changed to read-only; possibly a left-over from the
upgrade.  I've changed it back to world-writable, so there should be no
further problems.

Please, when posting, make your text mixed case, not ALL CAPS.  It's
harder to read ALL CAPS.  Thanks.

to Syrinx.  The correct addresses are at the end of each and every issue.
It takes me extra time and effort to weed them out and deal with them if
they're not sent to the correct address.  Help me out here, folks!

Enough bitching,

rush-mgr
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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:48:44 EST
From: S. A. Rasche <scrs_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>

This is the story of "Fly By Night" as told by Bill Banasiewicz in the
biography _Visions_ (Which is getting a lot of use on the NET isn't it?)::

"The band had just played in St. Louis.  Howard <their road manager>
pointed the car, which was engulfed in pot smoke, in what he thought was the
direction of Cleveland.  Three hours into the trip as they neard Memphis, TN,
Howard realized he was going in the opposite direction and it was no time to
stop by and meet Elvis.  Alex, Geddy's and Neil's singing turned into
screaming.  In response, Howard turned the car around and tore off to
Evansville, IN where the band could catch a plane.  They pulled into the
airport parking lot just in time to see the Delta jet 'fly by night' departing.

This doesn't say if it was written there or that had anything to do
with the tune - it could be what the B-man (author) thought sparked the song.
I don't know...  make your own opinions - I do.

Shorts

Kevn Kinney

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Date: 	Wed, 13 Feb 1991 11:09:47 PST
From: crenshaw.osbu_north@xerox.com
Subject: Grace Under Pressure

Mike,

Sorry to disagree, but I voted for p/g, and I seem to remember it was
on the list with a few (1 or 2) other votes, as well.  It was way down
on the list, though, so that may be why you missed it.  I didn't keep
a copy or I'd be able to tell you more exactly.

It was interesting seeing what was on the list...I think only two or
three of my choices (including p/g) made it on the "two or more votes"
list, but then I'm not particularly interested in guitar hero music.

Cheryl

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From: telxon!teleng!dank@uunet.UU.NET (Dan Kelley)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:58:24 EST

Sorry to have to post this here but I am having a problem displaying the
color Rush GIFs on my root window in X.  After specifying:

I get the following error message (only if the GIF is a color GIF):

Anyone else run into this and if so, how do you fix?  Please email and

Dan...

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Telxon Corporation  ||
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Akron, OH  44313    ||                    - Pres. Bush on Pursian Gulf crisis

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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 14:27:14 -0500
From: cs132042@cs.brown.edu (Jason Rosenberg)
Subject: Red Cross

John McMillan writes about Red Cross ragging on Rush.  Sorry if
this turns into one of those "other band" tangents, but I just wanted
to say that
a) I too am kind of pissed off at them(ps if anyone has
seen them, they are definitely trying to make an impression and
not just "play cool music")
b) I will still listen to them.  They have some talent and a
good sound.  Especially for an "alternative band", they rock.  They
aren't Rush, and I admit I just lost some respect for them,
but take the music for whats its worth.  Just 2 bits from me...

Jason Rosenberg

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From: boerio@compaq.com (Jeff Boerio)
Subject: Rush and two sets
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 13:42:25 CST

I would love to see Rush extend their show.  The amount of music they have
makes it (realistically) impossible to have a complete performance inside a
1.5 hour show.  I was commenting to a friend the other evening that I would
really like to hear them do more at a concert.

- Jeff

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Jeff Boerio:		COMPAQ Computer Corporation Systems Engineer
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Rush Quote:	"Don't ask me, I'm just improvising"
Pink Quote:	"There's someone in my head, but it's not me"

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From: yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca
Date: 13 Feb 91 14:05 -0600
Subject: Various and Sundry Topics....

>X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.1 10/31/90)

In response to several segments of yesterday's NMS, I
offer my opinions, advice, and questions for the perusal and ridicule
of all.

1) "Natural Science" : The line "Science, like Nature, must
also be tamed..." always bothered me.  WHY must Nature be tamed for
it's preservation?  What does "taming Science" entail?  I just don't
know....

2) Moving Pictures is DDD?:  I am of the opinion that my
CD is labelled DDD.  I don't have it with me, so I'll check when
I get home.  If I recall correctly though, the liner notes mention
digital recording, don't they?  In the credits section?  Also, when
Signals (the following album) was recorded, the song "Digital Man"
included the line "He won't need a bed, he's a Digital Man", which
supposedly referred to the fact that when they were assigning sleeping
quarters for everyone involved in the recording, they didn't need
a bed for the digital man because he wasn't there!  A trivial argument
concerning a trivial matter!  I do have tha Canadian release, but
I doubt that that matters.

3) I cannot accept the argument that Rush plays "progressive jazz".
This is an answer I cannot accept.

4) Who said that on the last tour some "Bunnies" came out to
give the boys a drink and some bowels?  This is truly weird.....

5) Instead of McNealy Schneker Group or the McCauly Schenker
group, was it the Michael Schenker Group?

[ It was originally the Michael Schenker group, but the lineup changed,
and so did their name.                                       :rush-mgr ]

6) Carl Stalling didn't actually write a lot of what went into
the Warner Brothers Cartoons, although he did *arrange* it.  A lot of
the tunes came from popular songs of the day, as well as classical
pieces.  This includes the Monsters theme from La Villa Strangiato.

7) Niagara Falls is not a great place to shop for records.  And
yes, we do have pressing plants in Canada, so recordings by foreign (e.g.,
US) artists are often pressed in Canada for domestic release, just like
other "foreign" products are made in Canada for domestic sale (e.g., Coke,
Wheaties, football...).

1) Max Webster
2) High Class in Borrowed Shoes
3) Mutiny Up My Sleeve
4) A Million Vacations
5) Live Magnetic Air
6) Universal Juveniles
7) Gowan (his first album)
8) Mitchell's contractual obligation EP with Anthem Records
9) Akimbo Alogo
10) Shakin' Like a Human Being
11) Rockland
12) I Am A Wild Party
13) Diamonds, Diamonds (best of Max)
14) Best of Max Webster CD.

Good luck finding any of this in the US.  #8) is fantastic,
although short, and was never released on CD.  It can no longer be
found here.  #4) and #6) are my "essential" Max Webster releases,
and #8) and #9) are the "essential" Kim Mitchell releases.  Any other
Canadians care to voice opinions?  Robyn?  Ron?  Dave Wolf?  Mark
Dykeman?  Martin?  Back me up here....

--
Kerry Yackoboski 	<yackob@eeserv.ee.umanitoba.ca>
The Scanning Tunneling Microscopy Laboratory in the Cellar

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Date:  Wed, 13 Feb 91 16:14:08 -0500
From: danmcd@zip.eecs.umich.edu
Subject: Redd Kross and the McDonald bros.

Just a quick disclaimer, I'm NOT related to those McDonald brothers in Redd
Kross.  Also, I hope we don't dwell on such a triviality anyway.

Dan McD.

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Subject: Mindless Idolatry
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 17:34:35 EST

[ Please, let's not escallate this into a flame war.  If you feel the
need to continue this discussion, please take it to e-mail.  :rush-mgr ]

I ignore it most of the time, but sometimes the mindless idolatry
of rock music fandom irks me.  Particularly when it applies to Rush.
I understand that Rush appeals to people who are looking for something
to believe in, since their music and lyrical meaning are inspiring.
Considering the emphasis of individual thought over collective impulse
we find in Peart's lyrics, mindless idolatry is also pretty hypocritical.

> Dear Rush Faithful,

I don't know about you, but I doubt Geddy, Alex, and especially Neil
would take kindly to equating Rush with religion.

>  [... bassist for Redd Kross (yes, that's how it's spelled) makes
>
>      This kind of senseless iconoclast trashing really pisses me off.
> Just look at anything newcomers like "Skinhead" O'Connor do for
> publicity. They're willing to say anything offensive or shocking for
> the sake of their own fledgling, petty careers.

Opinions of Sinead O'Connor aside, this stuff really cracks me up!
less', 'willing to say anything offensive or shocking', 'fledgling, petty',
do you honestly expect people to take you seriously?  I, for one, don't
agree with your opinions, and furthermore I find mindless idolatry at
least as annoying as "senseless iconoclast trashing."

>      My point: If and when you hear or see publicity about Red
> Kross, DON'T BUY IT!  Tell anyone who will listen to you, that
> they are pathetic losers, unworthy of our time and, most importantly,
> our MONEY.  With a little momentum, I think we could actually take
> a little wind out of the McDonald brothers' sails, and some cash
> from their slimy pockets.

Have you actually heard any Redd Kross?  Considering your posting, I
doubt it.  Having had lots of exposure to the underground Los Angeles
music scene, I can assure you that they produce some excellent tunes.
Obviously I don't agree with bassist MacDonald's opinion of Rush, but
that's his prerogative.  Doesn't affect their music, though.

If you don't like Redd Kross' music, that's one thing, but to condemn
them because they offended your idols and make collective appeals to the
NMS to condemn them as well is ridiculous.

> Keeping the faith,

See above comment on equating Rush with religion.

Listen man, I don't mean this as a personal attack (which is why I
deleted your name from my post), but I really REALLY wish people would
THINK before they assume their personal opinions are natural law.  You
owe it to yourself to keep an open mind, and take to heart what Rush
represents, which certainly isn't New Kids On The Block style fan-worship.
And I promise not to bring up RAP again!

An appropriate Rush quote:
Quick to judge, quick to anger
Slow to understand

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| |  i gotta six-pack & nothing to do...       = not necessarily reflect those
| | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you       = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!)
*** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs ***

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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 91 21:22 EST
From: V073NQA6@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu
Subject: Max Webster & Rush, Canadian CD's

Thanks for all the replies to the RUSH guest jam post.  I believe it was
Max Webster with Battlescar that was the particular release on which
Rush played.  From what I know it was one tune?  Is it worth getting
the album?

As for shopping up north for albums and stuff.  Good CD prices are
hard to find.  Up in Toronto where there are a good handful of competing
record stores in Yonge street area you can eventually turn up a bargain
price at least on a cassette version.  Haven't really seen CD prices much
lower than 19 bucks.  Now there's this GST tax, which I still can't figure
out.

To the one individual who went up to the Falls to get the Gowan CD, that's
too bad.  I picked up Gowan on an american label down at Record Theater for
the regular 14.98.  Gowan has been on domestic presses since his Strange
Animal cut.

-elvin c.

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Date: 14 Feb 91 03:24:20 EST
Subject: Open Secrets, Kim Mitchell

Patrick Widener writes about Aimee Mann in Open Secrets, sure sounds
like it to me.  Singing along in the 'chorus'.

A comment for Paul Crossman, who asked about Kim Mitchell CD's, I've
been on the alert for Max Webster (and Kim Mitchell) CD's for years.
They are only available as imports (obviously :) ), and I've never seen
them at the regular record shops.  One extremely eclectic (that's
putting it nicely) local shop often has a small selection of imports by
these guys, but they are PRICEY.  I think you'd have to find an unusual
or very large (like Tower) store or order them, but be prepared to
pay.

Sounds like there might be limited interest in mail-ordering Canadian
mail-ordering from up there?  This will probably be just as difficult
as ordering through a good store though, but it might be worth a go.

Magician.

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The Lion's Den                                           Rochester, NY
"... everybody got to elevate from the norm." - N. Peart
---------------------------------------------------------------------$---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Feb 91 09:09 EDT From: "Douglas G. Schwabe" <DGSST4@vms.cis.pitt.edu> Subject: Kim's New Years Eve Concert Hello, To all Kim Mitchell Fans, (especially in the Toronto Area) Just before Christmas I was visiting a friend of mine in Toronto and he told me that Kim Mitchell was playing at the Metro Toronto Convention Centre on New Year's Eve. Unfortuately, I couldn' stay for the show. Needless to say I was very disappointed. Did anyone go to the show? I would love to hear how it turned out. If anyone has any concert reviews from the Toronto Star or Sun please send them to me as well. Thanks, Doug (dgsst4@vms.cis.pitt.edu) Get well soon Rush manager!!! ---------------------------------------------------------- From: telxon!teleng!dank@uunet.UU.NET (Dan Kelley) Subject: stuff Date: Thu, 14 Feb 91 10:15:14 EST Just finished readin about 3 weeks worth... Now onto some comments: Re: The M-80 incident That a$\$ should have been thrown out of the place!  There is really no
call for something as STUPID as that and I feel sorry for the
concert-goers that happened to be around an idiot like that.  I	really
fell sorry for the person (people) that got hurt because of it.

Re: Aimee Mann
believe, it says that after they had done "Time Stand Still", they
felt that Geddy's voice alone just didn't sound right and that they
needed to do something about it.  They tried different studio 'tricks'
(oversampling ,etc) but it still just didn't sound right.  They
decided it needed a different voice along with Geddy's so they started
listening to different artists randomly.  When they listened to Aimee
Mann (what group is she with again?  I forget) they felt her voice
would do the trick so they got a hold of her and her producer.  They
did not know her or anything, they just blindly hoped that she would
agree (which obviously she did).  Relationship?  What relationship :-).

Re: Steve Smith
I can't remember if I mentioned this or not but I saw Steve Smith at
a percussion clinic at Zampino's Drum Shop in Canton, OH in 1986.  He
was *EXCELLENT* and is a very talented drummer.  His style is close
to Peart's in some aspects.  Just thought I'd mention this since we
were on the subject of Peart and Smith.  What is he doing these days
anyway?  Haven't heard anything from him since his Journey days (hate
to see good talent not doing anything).

Re: Rush Opening Acts
I was going to mention this but since Jimmy agreed to conduct the
collection, I'll send my info there.

Hey, Lewis, the best team in the NFL *DID* win the super-bowl!  At least the
best team in 1990.  I hope Hostetler goes to Disney World :-).
Go Steelers... one for the thumb in '91!  (What?!?   Where did that come
from?!?  :-).

[ Well, if the Dolphins hadn't misplaced their defense a couple weeks before
the playoffs, things would have been different!  :-)            :rush-mgr ]

Dan...

--
Dan Kelley          ||  ...!uunet!telxon!dank  ||  dank%telxon@uunet.uu.net
Telxon Corporation  ||
3330 W. Market St.  ||      "... Saddam Hussain will get his a** kicked."
Akron, OH  44313    ||                    - Pres. Bush on Pursian Gulf crisis

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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 91 07:31:17 -0800
From: wbarry@cory.Berkeley.EDU (BARRY WILLIAM JOSEPH)
Subject: Another La Villa note...

Someone mentioned yesterday about the cartoon music from La Villa
Strangiato. Well I know of another reference where that music was
used. This is the theme music from "Honey I Shrunk the Kids!"
Being that Rick Moranis and Geddy Lee grew up together and
are pretty good friends, maybe this was inspiration to use this
theme. Of course it's not La Villa Strangiato that is played during
the film, but imagine if you will the "Monsters!" section played
with a saxophone!

Also, another good idea. If anyone out there has not yet read
Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" do so immediately. Though it's long
after I finished I realized where a lot of Neil's ideas came from
particulary in the early albums. I never thought that I could listen
to "Anthem" with such conviction! If anyone has already read the book,
let's here what you think!

"Who is John Galt?"

Bill Barry
(wbarry@cory.berkeley.edu)

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