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         The National Midnight Star, Number 2017

                   Friday, 24 Apr 1998

Today's Topics:
                     riverside what??
                 opinion on Neil's videos
                 a rush sighting of sorts
     Re: 04/23/98 - The National Midnight Star #2016
          Re: Dream Theater and Progressive Rush
         Kiddie Rush fans/This whole star thing..
                  Lerxt's Antics, cont'd
                     Rush trivia quiz
                     Idiots among us
          Re: Surprise, It's a new thread!!!!!!
                    rush-mgr and floyd
                     Darien Lake show
               Most Influencial Rush Tunes
                         Rush cds
                        go russel
                Another insightful article
       Rush show? Rush tour? Possibly? Hopefully!!!
                       misc. stuff
     Re: 04/23/98 - The National Midnight Star #2016
                      Ozzy and Rush
              Re: Steve & Joe speed comment
                       Prog. rock?
                  Our most holy issue...
                   Rush Slam (not mine)
                  Re: Alpine Valley Wis.
                     Tough Rush quiz
                Wanted : Bumper stickers 
                    A worl in progress
                   Presto tour set list
                      Presto "live"
       Meaning of "TOBES OF HADES" - Please help !!
                Progressive Rush Albums...

From: "Foushee, Lane Russell" 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:26:24 -0400
Subject: response


Alex did something similar at the show in Charlotte. It had me in tears
on the floor. 


I think all the Brothers and Sisters of Rush would agree with you here.
Luckily for us we can swim against the tide of what is popular and
deviate from the mindless drones in the rest of the world. 




From: Ted Gudermuth 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:08:42 -0500
Subject: riverside what??

"Cincinatti, 1991. THe Riverside Colloseum really sucks in acoustics, maybe 
because it's a concrete structure built in the 1940s isn't made for music( 
But somehow, it becomes a main venue in the area. (It still bemuses me why.) "

is this post referring to CINergy Field, formerly known as Riverfront Stadium? 
btw, it's coliseum or colosseum, and Cincinnati. what an appalling job our 
public schools are doing.
If so it wasn't built in the 40's; try late 60's. It's the same basic design 
as Three Rivers in Pittsburgh, The Vet in Philly, and Busch in St. Louis, 
though Busch has been renovated much more completely than the others, mainly 
due to the fact that the others have to house both baseball and football 
teams, while Busch is home only to the baseball Cardinals. And the reason 
that ALL of the stadiums are main venues in their respective cities is b/c 
they're BIG! (50K+ seating for games, more for concerts) They (the promoters) 
aren't doing acoustical tests - they know it sounds shitty!  but where else 
can they pack that many people in?
Riverfront has a storied history as a concert venue - Rush was not alone in 
pIaying this venue often in the 70's and I believe it was the site of the Who 
concert that degenerated into a riot with several people stomped to death. 
This and other incidents (some at Rush shows) convinced the boyz to do away 
with "festival seating" (general admission) after the Moving Pictures tour, I 
If this was in reference to some other venue I sincerely apologize for my 
spelling/stadium lesson, but I felt motivated to defend a stadium where I 
attended not only vintage Rush and Kiss concerts, but watched Charlie Hustle 
and the Big Red Machine take the 75 series from the hapless/clueless BoSox. 
It is made out of concrete; you got that part right. And it sucks overall, 
you got that right too.


From: Brooke YOOL 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:44:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: opinion on Neil's videos

Hey folks --

Thought I'd throw my two cents in on Neil's A Work in Progress vids.
Thanks to the loan from my friend Tom in LA (former NMSer -- Tom, come
back!!) I was able to see the first one but couldn't see the second before
he needed them back.

Now...  I held the same opinion as many of you before viewing these.
"hey, I'm not a drummer, I know NOTHING about drums, why the heck should I
care about videos on drumming?"  Maybe it was the fact that I DO play
piano/keyboard and guitar, so I have a good sense of music/music theory;
but nonetheless, despite my hesitation...  WHOA, this was great!  

  Now, I'll admit to, in the past,
having thought that drummers have excellent rhythm but don't know a whole
lot about music itself, since they don't actually play notes.  Thanks to
reading NMS and watching these vids, my opinion has changed.  Yeah, there
are the drumemrse (a la Hanson) who do bare-minimum, let's keep the beat
playing.  Then there are folks in the Neil category, who make drumming a
work of art just as any top-notch guitarist, bassist, what have you.

Bottom line?  These videos helped me appreciate drummers a whole lot more.
It made me appreciate their music a bit more.  Heck, I even appreciate
Rush more after watching this.  And you just may learn something about
drumming.  What I found particularly interesting was the ability to watch
Neil's drum parts UP CLOSE while the rest of the song was playing in the

now if I can only get hold of the second video...  TOM, COME BACK!

brooke in san fran

If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat?
Brooke Yool
Dept of Pharmaceutical Chemistry		Rock and Roll Marathon,
University of California, Box 0446		Sandy Eggo 6/21/98
San Francisco, CA 94143-0446			Hood to Coast Relay,
Phone 415-502-8229  Fax 415-476-0688		Oregon 8/28-29/98		TCM *or* Portland 'thon 10/4	


From: Grand Designs 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:58:52 -0700
Subject: a rush sighting of sorts

This will probably be mentioned a gazillion times by the time this post
show up, but . . .

Did anyone catch David Spades' comedy show on cable? I'm not sure what
station it was (probably either HBO or Showtime) and for all I know it
might have been a repeat of the show, but during his "bit" he motioned
to someone at the side of the stage and said "Yeah, crank it up! Spirit
of Radio!" (I think someone in the band played a few notes of it or
someone was playing a radio nearby)  He then proceeded to do a poor
imitation of Geddy's voice singing the lyrics "...crackle with the
energy". Then he told the same person to crank it up higher, and for the
guy to play Freewill, because he "knew the words to that one". He also
made a comment that all singers who sing like that never use their REAL
voice, or something to that effect.

I believe David is Canadian and therefore may be a true fan. I'm still
waiting for the guy on News Radio (channel 4 in NYC) to make a reference
to Rush on the show. I KNOW he's Canadian.

Against the run of the mill
Static as it seems
We break the surface tension
With our wild, kinetic dreams

Visit the Grand Designs Rush Site


From: "Elias Granillo, Jr." 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:05:33 -0700
Subject: Re: 04/23/98 - The National Midnight Star #2016

> From: "Russell J. Thorpe" 
> I am sorry, but if you are going to debate someone get your facts straight.
> A five-sided shape is a PENTAGON not a PENTAGRAM.
> Also I tend to believe that the members of RUSH are the Grand Warlocks of
> the Rock and Roll Church of the Damned.  This Church includes such members
> as King Diamond and Slayer.  So it would only be natural for them to hint
> at it in their works.  
> If you correspond letters to numbers i.e. a=1 b=2 c=3 etc.
> R = 18     2
> U = 21     1 
> S = 19     1
> H =  8     2
> _______________
>    66      6    =  666
> Think About it!  All hail the kings of the Damned, Deciples of Satan
RUSH!  :)

Cute, Russell. But I've grown tired of this stupid thread. Surely you guys
can talk about this half-assed sh*t via private email? It takes up too much
space in digest mode. Thanks, I appreciate it.


oh, btw:

E = 5
L = 12
I = 9
A = 1
S = 19

5 + 12 + 9 + 1 + 19 = 46. What's relevant about this? Nothing whatsoever.


From: (David Whiteman)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:12:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Dream Theater and Progressive Rush

> It's amazing to hear all the Rush influences
> they've integrated into their music, especially from AFTK,
> Hemispheres, and PeW. They are one of the few bands I've ever
> listened to who could even hold a candle to Rush.

DT is good when they don't get too poppy (like they do some on FII).  I
too hear many Rush influences in their music, but the most obvious ones
to me are in:

Ytsejam, Light Fuse and Get Away, Only a Matter of Time, Metropolis,
Learning to Live, Scarred

The end of Learning to Live sounds like a cross between Digital Man and
Analog Kid to me.  The last part of Scarred sounds very

Of course much of the drumming will make you think of Rush, since
Portnoy basically only lists Peart when you ask for his influences.
Myung lists Lee as one of his three biggest influences.  Petrucci's
influences are more varied, however.

> On a similar note: Which Rush albums do you all think are the very
> most progressive? I would definitely have to say Hemispheres, with
> AFTK, PeW, and 2112 all coming in a close second.  Let's hear some of
> your thoughts on the matter.

Don't forget CoS.  Necromancer and TFoL are both very progressive, IMO.
But I agree Hemispheres is the daddy of them all in progressive metal.

David Whiteman                          Applied Reasoning
The Fifth Beatle                        111 Corning Road, Suite 220
whiteman at        Cary, NC 27511-9231


From: "Daniel Ware" 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:16:42 -0600
Subject: Kiddie Rush fans/This whole star thing..

HEy gang..
I'm gonna try to make this as short as possible....(ha ha)

First, neat thread about kiddos getting into Rush. My 1 year old daughter
has been listening to them by default, so I'm sure she'll grow with them
too. Last semester, one of my students dropped by my news room/recording
studio here at the station to work on a project. He saw my stack of Rush and
made "Cool" type comments. I asked him if he was a big fan. He said he
was..etc. etc.. He also added on to the end: Yeah, my old man is huge fan,
and that's how I got into them..Now I feel old....

Actually, I'm not going to dwell on the star thing, but this is kind of
related...Back in high school (84-88) I played in a semi talented too much
time on our hands garage band. We played a lot of Rush badly. Anyway, one
day our guitar player comes to practice with a tape his brother had given
him as a joke. On it, some preacher is telling an audience about the horrors
of rock and roll. Eventually he came to Rush and the Man-in-the-Star thing,
spouting the "obvious" satanic meanings, blah, blah, blah...But then, much
to our suprise, he starts ragging on Hemispheres. He shows the audience a
picture of the cover and tells how the naked man on the one side of the
brain represents Satan, while the guy in the business suit is our innocence.
He then explains that the "devil" is reaching out across our brain to entrap
our innocence, blah, blah, blah.. I don't think there have been many times
I've laughed that hard. The best part was that this guy was speaking with
that Southern Evangelist type of voice you see in the movies.. What a riot...
Anyone else hear this tape before... Wish I had a copy, just for occasional
comic relief..
Cheers from New MExico..


From: "Tyler, Robert M." 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:45:44 -0400
Subject: Lerxt's Antics, cont'd

Good thread.  I remember seeing Rush in Hampton VA on what I think was
the Power Windows tour - I recall the stage was setup with ramps on
either side of the drumkit and a platform linking them.  During one song
(CTTH?), Alex runs up the left side, along behind Neil, down the right
and crouches behind Geddy's amps.  Although Geddy saw Alex take off
running, he evidently didn't see where he ended up.  So Geddy returns to
the mike to sing the next verse and spends the verse nervously trying to
look behind him to see where Alex is.  Alex ends up running up behind
him and stabbing Geddy in the back with the headstock of his guitar.
Pretty funny.  



From: Xanstar 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:50:35 EDT
Subject: Rush trivia quiz

>>>>From: Dustin Clingman 
>>Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 06:26:39 -0500
>>Subject: Surprise, It's a new thread!!!!!!

>>Now for something different. The individuals who subscribe to this list
>>have a very keen insight and a vast knowledge about the best band in the
>>world. Would anyone be interested in a quiz designed to stump the
>>unstumpable? (is that a word?!)

>>Anyways let me know and I give it my best<<<

Try the one on my site and let me know what you think:

I've been told it's pretty tough.



From: Pete 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:57:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Idiots among us

>From: Richard Nasser 
>Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:44:51 -0400
>Subject: Alpine Valley Wis. & new Orleans Shows
>First time post here:
>Did anyone catch a Jun/Jul 1993 concert in Alpine Valley Wisconsin?
>That site is pretty cool.  The folks at Alpine Valley were very nice to
>me.  Right before the band played Limelight, I jumped on stage and was
>so close to all three of them I  couldn't believe it!! Anyhow I was
>tackled by security and then escorted back to my seat to see the
>remaining of the show!! Here in Florida they would have cuffed and
>stuffed you.  Those Wisconsin people are so nice!  Anyways, I thought of
>what I did and after careful reflection, thought that it was stupid on
>my part.

I hope this knucklehead posts his whereabouts on the next tour so we don't
end up at the same shows.  After careful reflection?!


From: AnneSpeare 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:09:28 EDT
Subject: Re: Surprise, It's a new thread!!!!!! asked:

I don't know if that's a word or not, really. Could be, though. Anyway, try
the one at It's one of the hardest quizzes
I've ever seen, with some pretty obscure stuff. Good test for knowledge of
Rushian history.

*^..^* Karen *^..^*


Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: rush-mgr and floyd

Hey rush-mgr!  You've been on the ball lately with the Floyd sigs!  Well 


 "This place is bigger than our apartment"

   [ Wanna take a bath?

     Honestly, I'm not as big a Floyd fan as I should be. I've been referring
     to the resident Floyd expert to make sure I get the quotes right!
     (I remember the general gist, but not the exact wording)     : rush-mgr ]


From: Babybean2 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:31:32 EDT
Subject: Darien Lake show

I,, said: 
"...Our 8 year old son would really love this. He saw RUSH last year and had 
a great time..." said: 
"I have two sons, 8 and 6, and both are definitely Rush Freaks.  The 8 year
old especially...we took him to an outdoor show on the T4E tour at Darien Lake
Performing Arts Center outside of Buffalo..."

I,, am now replying:
That was the SAME exact show that we took our 8 year old (then 7 year old)
too! Was that an incredible show or what? It had to have been THE best concert
that I have ever been to...and I have been to quite a few. We moved from NY to
FL this year and I sure do hope that RUSH comes down south.

Ellen <---whose kid is taking drum lessons and said "mommy...that kid plays
guitar and his dad plays bass. If I play drums, we can be just like RUSH".
Maybe there is a future for Rock after all !


From: "Alex Smith" 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:44:50 -0700
Subject: Most Influencial Rush Tunes

Hey NMSers,

I'm conducting a poll (for curiosity sake only, I guess) of what Rush songs
y'all feel are not just great songs but have really hit a chord in relation
to your life. These are songs that, for one reason or another, have really
hit deep and on target on some emotion, experience, belief, etc.

Here are mine:

"Subdivisions" (as a "outcast" high-school student this is my anthem!)
"Afterimage" (great personal meaning...)
"The Analog Kid" (I'm 16 and this song has helped me realize what I will
miss later in life and enjoy it while I can)
"Natural Science" (talk about an encapsulation of life)
"2112" (to a fervent individualist it doesn't come much better than this)

Just in case anyone cares, the CD player currently holds:
    1. Triumph _Classics_
    2. The Police _Every Breath You Take-The Classics_
    3. Rush _Moving Pictures_
    4. Rush _Signals_
    5. Queensryche _Operation:Mindcrime_

Somehow, however, I think rush-mgr wouldn't be too happy to start the
"currently in CD player" thread again...

Alex Smith


From: "dhenderson" 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:46 -0800
Subject: Rush cds

       I personally think that Rush should come out with a new cd.  My dad 
     is always wanting to just get more of their music.  I have never heard 
     any radio station play Rush on the radio recently.  I guess they just 
     haven't had the time because of what's going on with Neil Peart and 
     his daughter.  I'm just thinking that rush should come out with more 
     cds for more people to appreciate their music more and I'm sure that 
     everybody that visits this site often, would definitely buy their new 
     cd-if there is another one.  This is my father's e-mail but I had to 
     post it after reading it.  If rush decides to come out with another cd 
     my dad will be the first person to buy it.  
                                        Jessica Henderson

From: Fred Pinto 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 98 17:33:40 -0700
Subject: go russel

russel wrote...
If you correspond letters to numbers i.e. a=1 b=2 c=3 etc.

R = 18     2
U = 21     1 
S = 19     1
H =  8     2
   66      6    =  666

it's nice to see someone make a satanic RUSH/2112 correlation without 
f-ing up the arithmetic.
way to go russel.  you officially deserve a syrinx award and a honorary 
nms arithmetic masters degree.


From: "Martin Gibbs" 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:06:24 PDT
Subject: Another insightful article

I'd gotten a few great responses on my previous articles, so I thought 
I'd throw another into the fray (in other words, my next $.02)--I guess 
some days I see Rush in the grand scheme of things, the "grand designs". 
Anyway, here goes:

Emotional Rush
by Martin Gibbs


Fear. Pain. Rage. Love. Exhileration. Desperation.

All are expressed in the music of Rush. How do three rock musicians 
epitomize the human soul and its wants, needs and desires? How can a 
master drummer, a wailing bassist and wild guitarist capture humanity 
and turn it into a rock song? Was Neil Peart blessed by gods, or does he 
simply possess a greater understanding of the world? Or is each member 
blessed by Apollo?

Whatever the answer, it is clear that these three members are truly the 
best musicians in their genre.

Then what is their genre? Perhaps they define their own, which makes my 
last statement an insult. But then again, perhaps they are the 
best-practiced, most-talented, best-rehearsed, most-intelligent, and 
freshest band to come along. Period.

Where's the recognition? The top-40 hits? Billboard rankings? 
Five-year-long tours across the globe? Publicity lauding their 

Nonexistant and unwanted. It seems these great musicians hold a dearer 
bond to their families (both wives' and kids' as well as the fans) than 
they do to the spotlights and the rave reviews by the "in" crowd. The 
problem with the "in" crowd is that they are in one day and out the 
other--purely a fad--and yet Rush remains "in" through the decades. In 
fact, they've been going strong since 1974. The rave reviews don't 
happen because Rush has always been there, and has always been present. 
The glamour is unnecessary.

Instead, they go about and do that which they love--make music.

And capture the human emotional experience, which is done through the 
poignant lyrics of their drummer, Neil Peart and the majestic music of 
Alex Lifeson and Geddy Lee. That is the combination which gives the 
world the greatest emotional music of all time.


Perhaps we'll know when we die.

Or perhaps we know right now.

There is a strange phenomenon which exists. Either you love Rush or you 
don't really get into it. Why? It's like those people who are deeply 
embedded in their own religious sect and those who just go to church on 

Rush...a religion?

Well, why not? Why discount them as a valid faith? They preach kindness 
and decency, and the drive never to give up (see "Marathon"), the evils 
of suicide ("someone set a bad example/made surrender seem alright"), 
and the "freedom of music". I could fill a tome with quotes that portray 
Rush as a deeply humanistic band, a band looking out for the betterment 
of mankind and the survival of higher morals, of decency. They point out 
the weekness of man, "I can learn to coexist/with anything but pain", 
and they reject turning the other cheek: "You can fight without ever 
winning/but you can never win without a fight".

Rush...a religion!

Then I gladly join the masses as I shovel off to prayer...I think "2112" 
is playing somewhere and do I hear "Freewill" on that stereo? Or was it 
only an "Afterimage"--am I "Losing It"?

Rush...a band with emotion. The band with the soul of humanity coursing 
through it's every note. Rush...a religion.

Baptize me.

"Hold your fire
keep it burning bright
hold the flame till the dream ignites
A spirit with a vision
Is a dream
with a mission."


From: "Brian T. Peterson" 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:03:16 -0600
Subject: Rush show? Rush tour? Possibly? Hopefully!!!

Hello fellow Rush freaks!

I too looked up the KISS 99.5 webpage. They are giving away a whole
bunch of concert trips. One of them was for Rush in Toronto. Most of
these trips, like for Metallica, have the concert dates posted on the
webpage. However, the Rush concert date was undeclared at this time. I
e-mailed them and received a response today. Here it is:

> There is a Rush show planned before the closing of historic Maple Leaf's
> Garden.  No details if this is a one shot, a tour kick off, or what.
> More details later.
> --
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Kevin Vargas

This may be total bull and rumors, but since Rush is putting out a live
album in late summer/fall, it is possible there will be a tour. This is
also the same time frame the radio station is referring to. I don't
think our beloved band toured for ASOH, but hey, ASOH came out the same
year as Presto. Since Presto was due out following ASOH, Rush had
probably decided to wait until Presto's release to do a another tour.
So, since it will be two years since TFE by the time the fourth live
album is released and there are no plans for a studio album this year, I
think it damn possible for there to be some form of tour. We can only
hope. Almighty Rush manager, what are your thoughts?

   [ I think they won't be touring for the live album. Kinda redundant, 
     don't you think? ;-)  I have heard no word on this Toronto show. I 
     suppose anything's possible, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for
     it. I can't believe they're closing MLG! *sigh*           : rush-mgr ]

"We travel in the dark of the new moon"


From: "Elmer Goad" 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:12:37 -0400
Subject: misc. stuff

This is my first posting!

I see there is some talk about the Red Star and the Nude Man.  I have a
pendent of the symbol and get quite alot of comments about it.  My
explanation to the uninitiated is as follows:  The Star represents the evil
and the oppression of collectivism i.e. socialism/communism.  The Nude Man
is renouncing The Star and what it represents.  In a word, The Red
Star/Nude Man pendent is a symbol of individualism.  Enough "isms" already!
is usually the comment I get back after my explanation.  Some people do not
by that explanation and insist it is a symbol of the Devil.  At that point
I usually just internally laugh at them and go my merry way.

A few more thoughts!

The 2nd leg of the T4E tour was the best!  I saw the show at the Nissan
Pavillion in VA.  All my friends who have been going to Rush show w/me for
years were equally amazed.   Personally, the Nissan Pav. show was my 20th
dating back to Sept. 26, 1980.  Who would have thought at that PeW show I
would continue attending Rush shows deep into the 90's.

What was really cool about that 1st show was the willingness of the band to
sign autographs after the show.  The only thing I could say to Geddy was
"Intense show man".  He replied "yea man, real intense".  I still have the
tickets stub with Geddy's and Alex's sig.  It's the showcase of my ticket
stub collection.


From: "Katherine H. Moore" 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:28:38 -0600
Subject: Re: 04/23/98 - The National Midnight Star #2016

Hey, rush-mgr, you seem like a cool and reasonable person and all,

> If you correspond letters to numbers i.e. a=1 b=2 c=3 etc.
> R = 18     2
> U = 21     1 
> S = 19     1
> H =  8     2
> _______________
>    66      6    =  666

> Ten score centuries ago, King Lerxst I ruled Schmengland. He held court in a
>  beautiful villa called Strangiato.(ETC. ETC.)

Here are two examples of absolute nonsense. One is crap, the other is
totally bitchen. Can we all guess where I would assign those terms?

If I have to sit through one more post about numerology and secret
religions, I'm going to... write my congressman or something, I don't

Seriously, that 666 stuff isn't even funny anymore, if it's being
included as comic relief. 

Sean Carroll
A cataclysm for change


From: (Hang Lee)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:39:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Ozzy and Rush

I liked Ozzy a long time ago and i still revered the guy for some great
rock anthems he released in the 1980s. I only referred him as a foul
mouthed because the guy told the truth about himself: he cursed 20 hrs a
day even in frontof his children. He revealed it himself on VH1. It's a
known confession by him, and not some gossip. I still admired ozzy very
much even though I don't listen to him anymore



From: (Daniel Beck)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:34:28 +0900
Subject: overquoting

>> What makes you say this is a slip up?  Sense O'Clock always seemed a
>> fitting play on words, given that "news" these days is only about
>> ratings, not news.
>Interesting interpretation, but given that there's an equivalent line
>where he sings "sensory screen" at exactly the same point...

I wasn't quite sure who Slim was responding to, but I have to agree with
that person. Neil is adamant about the lyrics in the liner notes being
correct. While, I think (as others do as well) that Geddy has sung a
different word once or twice (everyone-please don't start a flame war over
the last phrase-we've all heard it before), when what is written, and what
is sung are the same, the burden of proof is on the one who says it was a
slip of the tongue. As far as I can tell, nothing short of a confession
from a band member will constitute "proof". No disrespect intended; just
how I see it.

On a rather different matter, I'd like to request people not "quote" entire
posts that they are responding to. TNMS is long enough without page-long
quotations. Thanks, most readers will appreciate it, I think.

Lastly, since most Rush fans are as or almost as interested in the lyrics
as the music, I want to commend Queensryche's latest, "Hear in the Now
Frontier". The lyrics are quite good (as is the music), especially, "Some
People Fly." Check it out if you haven't already. I was bummed to hear that
Chris DeGarmo has left the band; I thought his song-writing was getting
quite good. Anyway...

One last thing in this long post (not long due to overquoting, mind you :) ):
This has probably been discussed quite a bit, but I was not reading TNMS
during this period---Are the remasters for Signals, Moving Picture and 2112
better than the gold-plated original masters? Feel free to email me
privately on this part. I'd appreciate it.



From: "Curtis Harvey" 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:54:05 -0700
Subject: Re: Steve & Joe speed comment

Sorry there is no Rush content, but as a fan of Joe Satriani & Steve Vai, I
just had to comment on these remarks.

>Yes, but quickness and precision aren't the same as music.  I sometimes
>wonder if admirers of those players would judge a book by the speed at
>which it was typed.

Have you really listened to any of their music?  There is just as much
emotion in their lightning fast phrasings as there is in their slow bluesy
passages.  Ever heard Joe's "Rubina," "Always With Me, Always With You," or
anything from his self-titled album?  BTW his new album Crystal Planet is
his best yet IMHO.

>Can you imagine Steve Vai coming up with the first few notes of the
>guitar break in "La Villa"?

Yes I can!  Take a listen to "Blue Powder" and "For The Love of God" from
his Passion and Warfare CD.

Take care all,
 |\ Curtis
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\|/ (Rush Desktop Stuff)


From: "Palo, Christopher John" 
Date:        Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:56:07 CST
Subject: Prog. rock?

Dear fellow Rushians,

Hey, hey!  16 days till graduation and I feel great!  HOw are you?  In
response to Aaron Calder's question reagarding which Rush album sounds
the most progressive--what do you mean exactly?  Are we talking
progressive in as far as they are akin to the progressive rock movement?
Now, call me stupid or whatver, but what in the hell does "progressive
rock" mean?  I do know that it is a common label shared by such bands as
King Crimson, Yes and Queen along with Rush, but what does the phrase
describe.  All of these bands had radically different styles from one
another.  What does it mean to be progressive?  Just to be around for
awhile and continually alter your sound?  What does it mean?  I'd
appreciate any answers, preferably private correspondence, or if any one
else out there in NMS land is as confused as I am, post it on NMS.
Until I find an answer, then I will give my opinion.




From: Stuart Hodgetts 
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:05:10
Subject: Our most holy issue...

G'day all,

Echoing the message about issue #2112 in which we should not write anything
(as it would not be worthy), might I suggest that it be dedicated to
ourselves as well as the three amigos  and that we simply LIST all of the
NMS users (either current or past and current together with their E mail
addresses) with an acknowledgement to the band????

   [ And give all the addresses to a spam factory? Don't think so...
     not sure what I plan on doing with #2112 yet...          : rush-mgr ]

Just thinking out loud....or was it a brain fart?

Billy Oz...out.


From: "Phelan" 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:28:00 -0400
Subject: Rush Slam (not mine)

So I was reading through a few of Dennis Miller's Rants on the web the =
other day...I love his style of humor and all that, but then i came =
across this one. Going on about the various types of power and its =
abuses etc...

"And Finally there's pretend power. The supposed ability of a person to =
lead a flock of sheep to new heights where there unfortunately usually =
they find a shearing pen.=20
Who has this power? Jimmy Swagart, Amway, Dionne Warwick, Barney, Rush"

Ouch....that was really cold eh? And, as he always end 'em "Thats just =
my opinion, maybe Im wrong"

Oh well, I still love Rush :) Which is all that matters in the end

   [ More than likely he was referring to the OTHER Rush, Limbaugh.
                                                             : rush-mgr ]



From: Poomoble 
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:53:28 EDT
Subject: nms

> From: "Will Holt" 
> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:48:15 -0400
> Subject: Rush on 'Take the Hit'
> Anyone know the BMG Music Club number for Retrospective II?  Do they even
> carry it?  I haven't been able to find it.  How about Columbia House?

I was going to buy it and then I looked at the set list. I figured that I
might as well just buy the remasterd CDs and get all the songs. I have most of
them so far and they were all worth the money.
"Better beer" NP


From: (Thomas)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:23:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Alpine Valley Wis.

> From: Richard Nasser 
> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:44:51 -0400
> Subject: Alpine Valley Wis. & new Orleans Shows
> Did anyone catch a Jun/Jul 1993 concert in Alpine Valley Wisconsin?
> That site is pretty cool.  The folks at Alpine Valley were very nice to
> me.  Right before the band played Limelight, I jumped on stage and was
> so close to all three of them I  couldn't believe it!! Anyhow I was
> tackled by security and then escorted back to my seat to see the
> remaining of the show!! Here in Florida they would have cuffed and
> stuffed you.  Those Wisconsin people are so nice!  Anyways, I thought of
> what I did and after careful reflection, thought that it was stupid on
> my part. Stars are constantly under the threat of crazy people (Monica
> Seles etc.) and I (while being a very docile creature) could have looked
> like a maniac to Alex, Geddy and Neil.  Was anybody there?

Yup!  I was there!  In fact, that date is the reason I will never go see
another show at Alpine again.  I was stuck in the parking lot there until
5am, 'cuz my idiot friend locked the keys to the car in the trunk.
(Believe me, we tried to get that back seat apart too.)

I guess I shouldn't say "never" 'cuz hey, if the boys DO tour anytime soon,
and they don't hit either venue here in Milwaukee (Bradley Center or Marcus
Amphitheatre) I will have to go see 'em at Alpine.  *sigh*

Anyway, just thought I would mention that.

 =Resume lurk mode=-



From: PersonType 
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:44:45 EDT
Subject: Tough Rush quiz

Someone said something in the last issue of TNMS about having a quiz for all
the major Rush fans out there... something really challenging, or whatever.
I've seen it, man. I really have. It's the quiz at This
chick knows her Rush! The stuff on there is sort of out-there as far as trivia
goes, but that's what some of us need to challenge us! If I see one more quiz
that asks who the original drummer for Rush was, I'm gonna fucking hurl!
Anyway, check it out. I always thought I was unstumpable, but this is a really
hard one.


From: ERICSON 02 
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:35:20 EDT
Subject: Post

   Hey all Rushians !!  What a great band Huh?? I try to convince people who
really haven't heard Rush to give them a try :) They don't know what they're
Anyhow I liked a lot of the threads.  I saw rush during the Presto tour in
Jersey, The Meadowlands to be exact.  They most certainly played Presto and
Show don't tell.
I won the tickets from W. N. E. W.  in New York....Yeah!! 
   I also agree with the guy who said that Cold fire represents things that
have a kind of added sparkle to them in a relationship.  While the sparkle of
it's existence still remains it's now a cold fire i.e......the moonlight on
the bedroom floor, the diamond, the eyes, etc.......
    I also saw Rush on the TFE tour in Jersey again....yuk, I think I spend
too much time there.  Anyhow, Alex also did the same thing with the stooges.
It was hard to see from where I was.........I always sit on Geddy's side a few
rows up if I can, I have to see the professor at work you know.  He
disappeared for a while behind the set and now I know what He was up too.
Which brings me to my next and final story.
 The funniest thing I ever saw at a Rush show was the RTB tour.  This time in
the garden in NYC I was sitting in the same spot and about half way through
the set a young blond haired kid came out on Geddy's side behind the stage and
started shooting plastic darts at Alex.  They were whizzing right past Geddy's
face and landing really close to Alex.  From the looks of the kid I would say
it had to be one of Alex's sons.  After Alex realized what was going on He
bent down and put on of the darts in his mouth as Geddy was laughing at Him
and walked over to the side of the stage and threw it at the kid as the kid
shot another one that almost hit him square in the head.  Then the kid took
off.  It was pretty funny and damm nice to see the lighthearted humor. Well
thanks for the time, I enjoy the posts :)

Full of sliding panels, an illusion show ??


From: greg cormier 
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 7:49:21 EDT
Subject: Wanted : Bumper stickers 

 I have seen some mention of Rush bumper stickers from time to time but 
have been unable to locate any. Can anyone point me in the right direction
>...places that sell them,websites to browse etc.


From: greg cormier 
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 7:52:10 EDT
Subject: A worl in progress

For anyone considering purchasing  "A work in Progress" I would highly 
recommend doing so. I am not a musician and have a limited understanding of 
the associated terms etc. but these videos offer so much more than just 
Drumming/percussion instruction. They are well directed with intervals of 
Neil telling you his own insights and beliefs of how everything ticks 
within the group and outside of the group. There is footage of Neil growing 
up and some brief early footage of the band. 
   The main body of the videos is Neil playing and then breaking down each 
track from "Test For Echo". He explains how he developed his drum parts for 
each song and the factors that help to determined them. Hearing Neil speak 
his mind is worth the price of admission alone ! My own personal highlight 
is the practice routine segement where Neil demonstrates his warm up 
routines and shows where he experiments with new variations on these 
practice routines to help keep the practicing enjoyable. These vidoes where 
done in such a way that anyone can enjoy and come away with some new found 
knowledge about the Neil Peart,the band,and what is involved with making 
the awe inspiring music that we have all grown to love. 


From: greg cormier 
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 8:06:24 EDT
Subject: Presto tour set list

 With all the latest posts about whether or not Presto was ever played live 
does anyone have or know where to get the set list from the 1990 North 
American Presto Tour ? I was one of the posters who felt that Presto was 
part of the set list on this tour and would like to be able to prove one 
way or the other if this is true or not. I've seen both agreement and 
disagreement on this question so we need to get a definitive answer to this 
question to end the debate once and for all.

    Rush mananger maybe you could help assist in this endeavor. 

   [ It's on a web page, the same folks who do the Rush Tablature Project.
     And now he's going to yell at me again for not putting up a link to
     it on the nms page... TRUST ME they did NOT play "Presto" on the
     Presto tour. They did play "Scars" though... (anyone else wish they
     would've kept for later tours instead of "Show Don't Tell"?)   : rush-mgr ]


From: "Paul Smith" 
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 05:27:55 PDT
Subject: Presto "live"


It seems people are still persisting with the notion that Presto was 
played live during the tour of the same name.  Again, as one person has 
already stated - I don't want to be rude - but they did not play Presto 
  you are definetely confusing that track and "Show Don't Tell"

Hope that is the end of that........................

Feel free to email me privately if you disagree.



From: Martin Urionaguena 
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:16:55 -0300
Subject: Meaning of "TOBES OF HADES" - Please help !!

Hello !, we, five people, from different countries, are translating ALL the
Rush lyrics to Spanish.

"By-Tor and the Snowdog" begins with "The Tobes of Hades", and I got no
idea what is the meaning of "Tobes" (in English), so please , any of you
(including the other 4 of us) could help me with that?

Thanks in advance.

           "Rush. They must have been one hell of a band."
                    Geoff Barton (2112 Tourbook)

                      Buenos Aires, Argentina


From: "Anderson, Chris " 
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:51:22 -0400
Subject: Progressive Rush Albums...

Hello Aaron and the rest of NMS,

I agree with the idea that Rush's real progressive albums are from the
1976-1980ish era.  However, I think a lot of people over look the redefininf
progressive-rock stance Rush kept in the 1980's!  Many big progressive acts
ceased to be progressive around the 1976-1980 period (except for King Crimson
rebounding with Discipline in '81)!!!!  Does anyone else agree?

For example: Yes - they went and put out "Tormato" (yuck) and "Drama" (very 
Rush-like despite)...slowly giviing in to pop....they then hit paydirt (in 
terms of giving in to pop) with "90125" (yuck).  Genesis had gone to "Abacab" 
and "Mama"

Around "90125"'s time, Rush had "Signals" and "Grace Under Pressure" out as 
new material....  These albums (MV included) are progressive in a lyrical 
sense, I believe, but probably not musically real progressive....except for 
maybe Tom Sawyer and The Camera Eye...
  in the 70's sense of the word (lots of changes in mood and time signatures).  

Go to have POWIND and HYF.  These albums
are very much "redefined" progressive with a splash of pop thrown 
in musically and lyrically.

BUT, HYF and POWIND are a new breed of progressive rock when compared to

the 1976-1980 run of Rush albums, in believe.  The 1976-1980 still allowed 
"Art Rock" to be a part of the progressive rock definition, IMHO.  The 1980's 
Rush worked at leaving Art Rock out and putting "radio-accessiblity" into 
progressive rock.

Really, if it had not been for Rush (and others to some extent) Dream Theater 
would have been harder to put together musically and even lyrically.

To sum up this messy post:

1976-1980:  Rush had "progressive music" in the truest sense with 
SMALL tinges of Crimson/Yes/Genesis....the Art Rock elements.....

1981-1987:  Rush redefined "progressive music" to mean heavey use
of keyboards and futuristic lyrics that would be accessible to many 
more....notice how Peart has used less "Shakespearian" lyricism in
the 80's-90's era and has now turned to "world/'human" issues to
directly portray his thoughts/opinions.

Still, this is all opinion, and don't get flustered by anything I have said's only opinion.  I just don't believe Rush truly defined "progressive
rock" in the 70's...they simply made it cooler with heavier guitar/ loud bass 
and the best drumming EVER.... their defining role really flourished later
(when they reached more people)...and after all those "wacko" art rock
groups kind of turned on their bellies...except for King Crimson ; ).
I constantly analyze the constant cycle of rise-fall-rise-fall of
progressive rock.

BTW, I have always believed Rush was out to make "Art Rock" a heavier kind
of music.  Yes and Genesis and even King Crimson (to some extent) sometimes
get too pansy-like for my tastes....too many flutes...too much soft-spoken 
passages....  >.....I LIKE TO ROCK....but with Peart's ever-thought-provoking
lyrics!!!!!  I think "Art Rock" is more or less dead by the way....thanks to 
punk, heavy metal, and Rush...

Does anyone have thoughts on the influence of King Crimson on Rush, BTW?



ps.  You can't say Rush, Dream Theater, Voivod, Fates Warning, and Queensryche, 
etc are in the same genre.... but Rush did help get these other mentioned
groups out!!    


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