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         The National Midnight Star, Number 2040

                  Tuesday, 26 May 1998

Today's Topics:
                Re: Rush to Limbaugh #2039
               Re: Women in Rush songs #2039
                     moogs and moods
                        in the end
                Issue 2112;  kids and RUSH
            Obligatory songs, TS, CttH, etc..
                 TAFKATB makes a comeback
              Beyond Borders and Censorship
                  Geddy interview part 3
     RE: 05/20/98 - The National Midnight Star #2039
            Re: 05/19/98 - Other "Al" guitars
              re: moog?; guest female singer
                       Morning ???
                 Re: Hello...Morning Gov
                      Opening Songs
                     El Paso, TX  '96
                     nms issue #2112
                  Do you smell smoke????
                       issue #2112
                most played live / kazoo!
                 lyrics in remastered fbn
                     twisted beliefs
               Tai Shan - A Wonderful Song!
     Trivial Questions, Most Song Played Live, Kazoo?
     Who will play?  (The boys in the movies that is)
                   personalized plates
                  The Billings Metrapark
                      A Show Of fans
                 Limelight on the charts
               Song played the most live...

From: "Kevin L. Kitchens" 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:41:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Rush to Limbaugh #2039

> In all truth, Rush(the guy) has lost a lot of weight (see an episode of
> Drew Carey this last season)  Since he, at one time, was a rock and roll
> DJ in the 70's, I'll bet he is, or at least was, a fan of the band, for
> perhaps as simple a reason as they share the same name. That is his real
> name, BTW... Cheers from New Mexico.. Dan

Quite true...he has lost a (figurative) ton.

Whoever does his bumper music must be a fan, because I am pretty sure I've 
heard some Rush on Rush before.  Nearly fell off my chair at the irony.


Kevin L. Kitchens, PEI Programming, Stone Mountain, Georgia
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From: "Kevin L. Kitchens" 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:45:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Women in Rush songs #2039

> Madonna? HELL NO!! Sheryl Crow? Well, maybe.....But I was thinking that
> since the boys are Canadians maybe they'll stick with their own country
> folk. I was thinking Alannis Morrissette - she's from Canada. Sound good?

ARGH!  At least pick someone with TALENT and some sense of moral 
character.  Not necessarily MY morals, but some morals nonetheless.

How about Anne Murray?  They can sing Danny's Song or Daydream Believer?

Celine Dion? She and Geddy could share clothes and nose tips?
Kevin L. Kitchens, PEI Programming, Stone Mountain, Georgia
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From: "Michael Z. Williamson" 
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:39:40 -0700
Subject: moogs and moods

>"Michael vieira" said:

>could someone please tell me privately what the heck a moog is?

An analog synthesizer with envelope and and filter controls for the
tones generated.

>and does anyone else think that the remastering of "into the darkness", 
>of the necromancer wrecked the texture?  what i mean is that there are 
>alot of forward and backwards guitar parts on that song.

Haven't heard the remaster, but those guitar parts are
ADSR'd--(attack/decay/sustain/release)--similar to what Al does with a
volume pedal, but more so.  You can control how fast the sound comes in,
how fast it chops off, and a minimum level at which it will be allowed
through the system.  It's possible that someone diddled with them on the
board during remastering, not knowing what effect Al was trying for. 
They might have "fixed" something that wasn't broken.

"The ancient Egyptians used to worship cats as gods.  Cats have never
forgotten this."--Mad Mike


From: "Michael Z. Williamson" 
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:42:40 -0700
Subject: in the end

>"Mikey" said: <>
>Okay... I need some info on this... I was working on "In The End" and
>During the guitar solo (at approx. 4:22 on the CD) It sounds like the
>guitar that is bending the A a full step to B is doubled by a Kazoo!!!
>REALLY!!! lsiten to it... like RIGHT NOW... and tell me

it's called "More distortion than a human being should be allowed to
play with without a license."

run in stereo

mike    rush-related stickers


From: Gordon and Kathy Jones 
Date: Wed, 20 May 98 09:04:32 -0000
Subject: Issue 2112;  kids and RUSH

Kevin Kitchens wrote:

>I think that a call should go out and allow people to send in simple ONE or 
>TWO line comments about Rush, what they like, memories, etc. directed TO 
>Have these sent to the Rush-Mgr with the Subject of "Issue #2112 message."

This has been done, has it not?  If my memory serves, wasn't a book compiled
and sent to the band for their anniversary a few years back?

Since I have now broken my three year lurking stint with TNMS,  I'll take a
second to say thanks.  Although I don't get the time to read this newsletter
much anymore, it sure is nice to know it's here.  I've been an obsessed RUSH
fan for the greater part of my life (discovered them when I was 15, am now...
ahem....32).  And found that I wasn't alone with this obsession when Idiscovered
TMNS a few years ago... Whew!  What a relief! I officially quit trying to 
"enlighten" my friends and family by bombarding them with the songs which I 
thought one only needed to hear to be awe struck by. Of course, most weren't 
(which I still don't understand, but now accept).  

My 10 year old son has apparantly caught the RUSH bug. I always knew he was a
spectacular child!  Of course I am thrilled (we conspire against the rest of the
family by slipping RUSH cd's into the player).  Unfortunately though, this means
I have to occassionally retrieve a stack of cd's from his room. 

Anyone else have kids who like THE BAND?  I'm curious to know which cd's/songs
kids like.  My son's favorite cd and song is PRESTO/Presto.  He also likes
Half the World and Time Stands Still. Like I said, he is a spectacular child.

So there is hope for the next generation!
Rush on!



From: "Michael Z. Williamson" 
Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 13:55:12 -0700
Subject: chorus

>> Slim Jim said:

"Michael Z. Williamson" writes:

Alex got into chorus effects because Jaco Pastorius was in le Studio
with Joni and had one of Fender's first chorus amps.

>>Alex makes extensive use of chorus effects on the first album, which
>>wasn't recorded at Le Studio if I remember rightly - so I don't think
>>we can credit the late great Jaco Pastorius with this.

No, he used overdubs.  Chorusing is an electronic effect that was
invented in the mid-seventies.  Alex reports in various interviews that
he started using chorus in '77.  I'll look for the article.  There's
also his comment on Counterparts about "Ending my horrible 15 year
dependency on Chorus."

If you use reverse reverb and digital delay does the sound come out
before you play it?


From: "Daniel Ware" 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:19:14 -0600
Subject: Obligatory songs, TS, CttH, etc..

Hey gang....
Regarding the comment about some songs, like Tom Sawyer, Closer to the
Heart, and Spirit of Radio becoming redundant live, I kind of disagree.. I
mean, I love hearing the new music and the classics like 2112, Hemispheres,
Subdivisions, etc, but I would also feel a little empty if the three songs
above weren't played. As far as Tom Sawyer, that's a signature classic. It's
also cool to see several thousand air drummers in the front rows playing
along. Closer to the Heart brings out that "chilling effect" when everyone
sings the first verse along with Geddy and when everyone sparks up their
lighters. I don't smoke, but I bring a lighter just for that song.. And
Spirit of Radio, above all others is the true signature song. For me, SoR
embodies why I love Rush. That and the role the crowd plays  after Geddy
sings "Concert halls." There are just some songs that will always be played
by cetain groups. For Marillion, it's Kayleigh, for Yes, it's Roundabout,
and for Rush, those three songs will be a mainstay. I'm all for the
tinkering they do, like on CttH. It made the song more enjoyable in my
opinion. Maybe some day they'll record the different version in the studio.
I can dream can't I?
Cheers from New Mexico..


From: (Paul J Ferrara)
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:04:28 -0400
Subject: Limelight

Hey, anyone who has been to the NMS website knows that there is a great
selection of multimedia files to choose from. And, i am prolly sure that
the Rush-mgr has the Limelight pop-up video on videotape. So how about
putting 2 and 2 together? I say you make a RealVideo version and put it
up on the website! And for the future, maybey getting realserver! :)

   [ Hm, guess you haven't checked the web site recently? It's been up there
     since the day after it aired...                             : rush-mgr ]

Mr. Paul J. Ferrara -- Toms River, NJ
"Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes"


From: Scott Finkel 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:38:32 -0700
Subject: TAFKATB makes a comeback

For all you appreciators of the artist formerly known as the Breadman....

If we burn our toast
Frying too hot for the bun
If the moment of golden(brown)
Has past us before its noticed 
If the slice is done --
Though everything is charred
We will scrape the blackstuff
But we will not spread the lard

When the carbon's been cleared
And victory denied
Tortilla too soft-y
Bagel's a little too wide
If the jam does glide --
Though loaves so nice are lost
We will heat the rice,
But we will not serve the toast

And if the toaster stops
There's only the pound-cake to blame
All the hope and glory
All the kneading done in vain
[and] if the loaf has grains
Though every slice is tossed
We will slay them twice
But the baker we'll not accost

My apologies to rush fans everywhere for this travesty of humor.


From: "Eric J Staley" 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:09:42 -0400
Subject: Beyond Borders and Censorship

Good day.  I have two items.  First, here is an e-mail that I got from Rik
Emmett.  It sums up the liklihood of ever seeing "Beyond Borders" on a
forthcoming CD.  At the time that I asked him that question, he indicated
that he did not have the master tape.  I told him that it was available at
the TNMS site (I incorrectly used the term "bootleg." My apologies to
Rush-mgr), and this is the response:

Dear Eric:

Thanks  for  the  info.   I noticed in the Discussion Forum on the web site
that I got slagged for appearing to be a tightwad millionaire searching for
a  few  nickels  in  the  dirt  over  this issue...hardly the truth.  I was
actually  taking  a bit of a stab at the no-respect-for-copyright nature of
the  Internet,  and  the  abuse  of  private creative properties that is so
apparent in this domain.  There's also another issue at work, too.
Actually,  Alex, Liona, Ed and I did the project purely for its educational
(and,  undoubtedly,  its  promotional)  value,  and  I  am  sort of glad to
discover  that even though "Borders" is being "bootlegged", as you describe
it,  it  is  being  offered  free of charge.  I suppose that's cool, and in
keeping with the spirit of the project in the first place.
As far as a future release goes, that's probably a giant can of worms.  How
could I get the other artists to sign off on allowing me to profit from the
thing?   Why  would I want to?  The magazine only had the right to print it
on  vinyl inserts in their magazine that one time - technically, they don't
own the master, or the publishing copyright - I guess I do.  But that's not
the major stumbling block, anyhow.
Here  is  just another major irritating hunk of ex-Triumph bull-oney.  Upon
deciding  to  leave  the  partnership, I was not prescient enough to take a
quiet  little  visit to the tape storage of The Metalworks and grab all the
tapes,  masters,  safety  masters,  etc.  of unreleased things I had done -
little side projects that I had recorded, outtakes and unreleased materials
from  over  the  years  that had not made their way to the public. (I'm not
just  talking about TRIUMPH projects here, either - I'm talking about stuff
from  totally  outside  of  the  partnership umbrella - solo things, guitar
pieces,  acoustic  stuff,  demos,  projects with other musicians, and stuff
exactly  like  that  GP  Beyond  Borders project.)  Later, after things had
definitely  turned adversarial and my faith in my fellow man (well, some of
my  fellow  men,  anyways) was being severely tested (for several years), I
sent out word through the lawyers to try to get access to, and recover that
stuff.   Well  -  guess what the official word that came back down the line
was?   It was that the tape library had been reorganized, and that all that
stuff  had  been thrown out and/or destroyed.  Uh huh.  And sometimes, pigs
So  that's why I'm kind of leery about anybody anywhere profiting from that
stuff.   As  long  as  all that stuff is actually dead and gone and buried,
well,  that's  life  (so  to  speak).  But if anything ever resurfaces that
shouldn't,  well, that would be unfortunate and puzzling and unsettling and
unkosher,  wouldn't  it?   And  in all good conscience (I'd like to believe
that  I  still  have mine, even if critics and Discussion Forum writers and
other  former  acquaintances  may have lost theirs), I'd have to try and do
something about it.  Thanks again for writing.


Rik Emmett

There  we  are.   No  Beyond  Borders on CD.  And, no Triumph reunion tour,
either.   My  second item involves any situation in which someone has their
post  expurgated  by  the  Rush-mgr.   Too  many people start whining about
censorship  and refer to the First Amendment.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but
the  First  Amendment DOES NOT state that your beleifs and opinions MUST BE
posted  in  TNMS.   State  them  if you wish, but to claim that Rush-mgr is
violating your civil rights if she chooses not to include them is silly!

That is all.


From: John Tyler 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:15:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Geddy interview part 3

I'll be in Canada on a fishing trip till next week so I'll include a couple
of questions today. (From the Dec '96 Guitar School)  

The Third question is were Geddy solves the many mysteries of His Basses!!!!

GS---  How about amplification?

Geddy Lee---  I didn't use any live amps this time.  I used a combination of
DI's and speaker simulators: a demeter tube direct, a palmer speaker
simulator, and a SansAmp.   During the early stages of the bed tracks, we
fiddles around with various pieces of equipment, but this setup worked best.
I've done it this way before, but I think the combination of those three
things created enough of an amp sound that I found very satisfying.  I've
never had that experience in the past.  Usually I've felt like there was
something missing.

GS---  So what gear will you take on the road?

Geddy Lee---

I'll still use my Trace Elliot Quatra 4vr amps and the Trace Elliot GP12SMX
preamp, and I'd like to take the SansAmp/Palmer conbination, too, Because I
think It will work better with some venues' PA systems.  I'm going to
experiment with it in rehearsals.

GS---  Tell us about your first ever bass.-a Corona, wasn't it?

Geddy Lee---  Right.  I bought it from the local music shop for like 35
bucks, when I was around 14 or 15.  My mother loaned me the money.  I wanted
a bass, and that one looked good [laughs].  And then I had a Hagstrom, which
I used right up through the early incarnations of Rush, when I got a '69
Fender Precision.  Once we'd gotten our first record deal, I had enough
money to buy a Rickenbacher 4001, which I'd always wanted because of
watching Chris Squire and Paul McCartney.  I liked the fact that the "Ricky"
had a separate control for the treble pickup and and for the bass pickup.  I
used those for years until I started playing a Steinberger, which was for a
strange reason:  It was physically easier for me to get in and around around
my keyboards using the smaller bass.  It was lighter, it didn't whack into
my other mics, and it was ergonomically easier to get around my gear during
that heavy keyboard period.  But the sound just wasn't good enough; it was
too limiting.  It's a good practice bass, though, whenever I travel I
usually take it with me.  And then I went to Wals for a few years; our
producer Peter Collins, had introduced me to them, and I'd used one of his
on [1985's] POWERWINDOWS.  I'd heard them before; Percy Jones from Brand X
used one, and I loved that sound.  That's when I also started using lighter
gauge strings, which gave a little more snap to my top end. So I used those
until COUNTERPARTS; then I went back to the Fender Jazz, which I'd also used
on at least half of MOVING PICTURES.  Like on "Tom Sawyer" --a lot of people
think thats the "Ricky", but it's the Jazz.

Well, there is onlt one question left and I'll post that when I get back
from my trip.  See y'all later,

John Tyler/Racine Wisconsin

"To function efficiently, any group of people or employees must have faith
in their leader."

Capt. Bligh  (ret.)


From: "Costello, Bryan" 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:29:10 -0400
Subject: RE: 05/20/98 - The National Midnight Star #2039

	Wednesday afternoon, I sat at my desk, and I read:  

> From: broon 
> Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 17:51:06 -0400
> I love every song they have ever played. And I mean every one !!!
> (even Tai Chan)
> However Tom Sawyer, Spirit and Closer live have become rather
> redundant don't you think ?
	In the words of the current WWF world heavyweight champion Stone
Cold Steve Austin (whom I have met), "Oh, Hell Yeah!!!" 

	Brother, I have felt that way for the last several tours. It is
such a routine, they might as well phone in the end of the is
always:   Spirit>Sawyer>YYZ. 
	All of which are awesome songs, but lets mix it up a little
guys! The Dead would do a different show every night. One could go see 6
Grateful Dead shows in a row without hearing the same song twice, and by
the 7th night, you might hear 1 or 2 tunes from night #1. 

	Metallica always does 4 or 5 different tunes from night to
night, so it is possible to go & see 2 or 3 shows in a row and not hear
the same exact thing each evening. Page/Plant do the same thing. Now I
understand the constrictions of an enormous light & laser exhibition and
showing films is not conducive to "mixing the set up" from night to
night. Perhaps Rush is like a lot of bands that wish to perfect a
setlist from night to night, and stick to what they feel works. And that
is fine, I have no problem with that. But from tour to tour, C'mon!

	Rush has 16 incredible records to choose from, not a lot of
bands can say that. A little variety would be embraced by everyone. Oh
to hear "Anthem", "New World Man", "Bastille Day", or even "Time Stand
Still" once again. I won't push my luck by requesting "Kid Gloves". And
do not be so foolish as to read into this as Broon & I hate Rush or
should stay home, as many of you inevitably will. We have been
supporting Rush for many years, a little variety from tour to tour would
be nice, (but not required.) Cool?

	Wouldn't it be nice if Rush put out a live CD set at the end of
every tour as a souvenir for all of us, the diehards. Make it a complete
show, beginning to end, warts & all, they can pick one stop that they
felt was the best. Sell it only over the net, or limited edition-like.
It would not sell a million copies, so do not press a million. It would
most certainly sell 100,000 copies at least (wouldn't YOU buy one?), and
it would thwart the evil bootleggers at the same time. 

	Just a thought. Geddy & Alex....make it happen. We know ya read this.

	METALLICALLY yours in allegiance,

	Bryan C
	(giant Sandman mark/Washington Capitols friend.... and fan)

	ps.... Did anyone see Van Halen on Howard Stern's "E" show
Monday & Tuesday night? Was that not scary? Eddie is

	Anyone have extra tickets for the Metallica show here in Atlanta 6/26?  


From: Todd VanGorden 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:33:30 -0500
Subject: Re: 05/19/98 - Other "Al" guitars

> > From: (SCOTT WEDGE)
> > Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 22:37:35 -0400
> > Subject: Opening songs
> > Jack mentioned in NMS 2032 that he liked to see opening songs at Rush
> > concerts have a "big bang" sort of feel to them. He liked Dreamland, Big
> > Money and SOR (I do too) - he mentioned a few choices of his own,
> > Virtuality included.
> > In keeping with the way things have been going, I think that they are going 
> > to open with Animate.
> > now, how many guitars does the maniac (AL) have?
> Have or use on stage? On stage he has two PRS guitars in regular tuning and
> one tuned for "Stick It Out". He also has the nylon for CTTH. If I remember,
> he also had two Les Pauls with him.

Doesn't he also own and use one of those Godin guitars, which I think is 
called an Acousticastor, because it has a piezo pickup in addition to the 
"regular" electric pickups.  This gives (obviously) electric and acoustic 
flavors to the sound (and can be mixed or separated).  I believe I remember 
seeing it live on the T4E tour.  In the tour program there are photos from 
the "Half the World" video which show Alex playing both a PRS and the 
Godin.  Also, the guitar for "Closer to the Heart" isn't a nylon string 
guitar live, is it?  Isn't it a steel string Ovation?



From: Scott Aiken 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 14:34:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: re: moog?; guest female singer

	Surname: Andy.  Goaltender for the Dallas Stars (or has he retired 
	or been traded?  I'm not much of a Dallas fan for any sport...)

Guest female singer:
	Do Bob & Doug have a sister?

| Scott Aiken                                   |
|              |


From: "David Lombardo" 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:01:09 -0500
Subject: Morning ???

Just a The Camera Eye, is it possible that Geddy said
"morning Doug" as in Bob & Doug McKenzie?  The reason I ask is that both
Great White North & Moving Pictures came out the exact same year, 1981. 
They could have recorded both at the same recording studio & the guy who
plays "Doug" (don't know if it was Moranis or the other guy) came in & said
"Hello" & as a joke Geddy responded "Morning Doug".  I'm not saying it
doesn't sound like Gov or Guv but who (or what) is a Gov/Guv?  Not flaming
anyone who hears Gov/Guv, cuz I'm not even sure when I hear it...Geddy is
somewhat away from the mike and what is said is difficult to
discern...hence my curiosity within the context of the timeframe of the two
Any thoughts or clues................

david :-) 


From: "Joseph Ornelas" 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 15:46:31 -0700
Subject: Re: Hello...Morning Gov

>From: greg cormier 
>Date: Tue, 19 May 98 8:56:25 EDT
>Subject: Hello...Morning Gov
>I just purchased the remastered 'Moving Pictures" CD and during "The
>Camera Eye" at about the 9:00 mark you can clearly hear the words
>"Hello.... Morning Gov". tHis was something that was not discernable on the
>original released CD.  Does anyone else hear this on the remastered CD ?

No, but I hear it plain as day on my not remastered one -there, I'm hearing now.
I must admit though, it sounds more like a guy clearing his throat and then
saying "Mornin' Gov," but the gist is understood: they're British. MP is my
oldest CD too, not just Rush, but out of all of them.

Joseph Ornelas

"Get your facts first, and then
 you can distort them as much
 as you please"    - Mark Twain


From: "Michael Cangemi" 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 16:14:13 PDT
Subject: Opening Songs

Even though nobody asked for it, here's my $.02 on opening songs...

I agree with choices like SOR, Big Money, and Animate, but how about 
Dreamline?  It started off the last tour with a bang, and pretty much 
set the pace for the whole show.  I think Test for Echo or Driven would 
be cool choices, too.
And of course, I can't forget 2112.  It opened up the PW tour, I think 
(at least it does on a few of my PW boots), and what better song to open 
up a show with?

On an entirely unrelated note, here's a Rush sighting which I don't 
think anyone's mentioned yet.  During games at Yankee Stadium, each guy 
on the Yankees comes to bat to their own choice of music.  Chuck 
Knoblauch comes up to Big Money.  Anybody else hear this?  Does anyone 
else know of other pro athletes who are Rush fans?


"Half the world hates
what half the world does every day."

"I listened to a lot of Rush in high school, so I never got laid."

 Les Claypool, Primus


From: "N. JENSEN" 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 17:37:48 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: El Paso, TX  '96

>Just wondering if anyone else saw anything similar.  I wanted to make
>note of the fact that nothing shakes those boys!                      

I saw them at the El Paso '96 show.  During Neil's drum solo, I had
binoculars watching him (gives me chills each time I see the Rhythm
Method).  He dropped his right stick at a crucial point in the solo and
his eyes got huge with a look of worry and I thought to myself, "He's
gonna mess up".  But in less than a second, his face went back to the
serious look he always has, he grabbed another stick, and continuted the
solo without any hesitation or noticeable break in the performance.  His
left arm never stopped playing.  It happened so quick, I wasn't sure it
really happened so I looked around the stage and sure enough, there was
the lost drum stick at the base of his kit and it remained there for the
rest of the show.  He covered the mistake so well, that no one noticed.
I've asked dozens of people that attended that show if they saw him drop
the stick and not one of them noticed.  Did anyone else see this?


From: Max MacPherson 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:47:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: nms issue #2112

>From: "Kevin L. Kitchens" 
>Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 15:00:01 -0500
>Subject: Issue #2112...
>I think that a call should go out and allow people to send in simple ONE
>or TWO line comments about Rush, what they like, memories, etc. directed
>Have these sent to the Rush-Mgr with the Subject of "Issue #2112
>Make this issue sort of like signing a yearbook or something.
Funny, I was thinking on a practically similar line this after
noon and was going to post the idea on this list.  I think this would be a
good idea to have a list of members saying in one line, what they like
about rush, whether it be songs, lyrics, albums, tours, personal traits
physically, personally, or musically.  What I was thinking is that it
could be a list of 2,112 non repetitious responses.  They could all be
sent in to some one willing to sort through them and send them back.  To
save space it would probably be good to simply have the list and not the
full from:, Date:, subject: introductions that normally precede posts. 
Also maybe there could be issue 2112 pt.1, 2... if the list is too long
for one mailing.  Just my idea. 

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players;
They all have their exits and entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts"

 Shakespeare - "As You Like It" Act II Scene VII


From: Poomoble 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:57:54 EDT
Subject: Do you smell smoke????

>Doh!!  Perhaps a reading of Visions is in order.  I bet Poo gets a lot of his
>namesake for this one! :)  I'm laughing my @ss off right now.  I'm getting 
>visions (no pun intended) of Frodo and Gandalf and company journeying back
>home trying to explain to Butterbur that Aragorn is the King.


That's Pooh, not Poo. Thanks for you kind and thoughtfull responce, pal!


From: "Alex Smith" 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:25:26 -0700
Subject: issue #2112

you know, i think rush-mgr already has decided what to do for issue 2112 and
is planning it now.... thus i won't give any suggestions because i'm sure he
knows what he's doing already. i hope its good!

now, what will happen for issue 2113? a big let down probably.... maybe
EVERY issue after 2112 should be special in some way or another :-)

in cd player:

front line assembly-corroded disorder
new order-substance
dream theater-images and words
pink floyd-animals

Alex Smith

"Verbing weirds language." -Calvin


From: Scott McDow 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:34:49 -0400
Subject: most played live / kazoo!


>I'm curious.
>(perhaps this is in the FAQ's)
>What song has been performed
>live (in it's entirety) the most ?

Just a guess but CTTH seems likely.

>>I think it's a triggered "effect" although
>>King Lerxst mouths it in concert. Who
>>triggers it? Anybody?
>> -me

>No, Lerxt says it... he doesn't sing it...
>He did the same thing on this tour as well...:)

It's possible I got my facts mixed up (happens
more often than I care to admit!) Any trigger
experts out there to back me up? If not then
just stick me in the corrner with a dunce cap
on my head.   <:^)>

on another Mikey note
An incredible discovery IMO!

>on "In The End" and during the guitar solo
>(at approx. 4:22 on the CD) It sounds like
>the guitar that is bending the A a full step to
>B is doubled by a Kazoo!!! REALLY!!!
>lsiten to it... like RIGHT NOW... and tell
>me... if that is the case

You betcha. No doubt about it. Left channel.
It's easier to catch if you balance all the way
left. Definately a wind/humming sound not
string. Great call.

>I need to program my digital processor
>(Digitech model 2112 [*grins*]) to make that
>noise as well... any suggestions on how I can do




From: Scott McDow 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 22:52:37 -0400
Subject: lyrics in remastered fbn


Can someone who owns a remastered copy of
FBN tell me if these lyrics are included in the
liner notes for the song FBN?

(original introduction)
Airport scurry flurry faces
Parade of passers by
People going many places
With a smile or just a sigh
Waiting waiting pass the time
Another cigarette
Get in line - gate thirty-nine
The time is not here yet

thanks in advance!



From: stephen melnyk 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:52:32 -0500
Subject: twisted beliefs

> [  . . .Who cares what my political beliefs are? Who cares about political 
>   crap in the NMS? >...And in case you haven't noticed, this is a moderated 
>   digest. If I decide it doesn't belong in >a RUSH DIGEST, then I take it 
>   out. Period.                   : rush-mgr ]

right on !

buddist follower to the hotdog vender, "make me one with


From: "Chris Herrage" 
Date: Wed, 20 May 98 22:17:35 PDT
Subject: Tai Shan - A Wonderful Song!

I've been reading TNMS for sometime now and never really
thought about writing until I started noticing many people saying
that they weren't crazy about "Tai Shan". I think this is a wonderful
song and I can't understand how anyone wouldn't like this song!?!
When I first heard this song, I felt that it was the best song for making
you feel like you were experiencing everything that Neil was! Since I'm 
sure that Neil wrote this song about his experiences in the Orient, I felt
like I was there with him. And in true Alex and Geddy form, the music
complements the words. I always feel that Neil is trying to get a certain
point(s) across in each song. I feel that if a musician/lyricist can get his
point across and make you feel the way he wanted you to, then he had
accomplished his goal. Does anyone else agree with me? I feel the words 
and music in this song work so beautifully together. I think if you don't like
this song, you're missing the emotions, and visions Neil is trying to get across
to you. Perhaps another listening is in order. Or maybe a visit to China would
help! Close your eyes when you listen this time, and imagine for a moment you
are seeing what the words are telling you Neil saw. Imagine how he felt! It was
obviously an experience profound enough for him to write a song about it!

I love all Rush songs and thoroughly enjoy reading TNMS postings. Its 
interesting to me to see all the different opinions and interpretations of 
the band and their music. HYF is full of songs with meaning. Even if my 
interpretations are different from everyone elses, TNMS is a great forum for 
getting a different perspective on a song. If you are not a Tai Shan fan, try 
listening with a different perspective.

"No salutes for your surrender, nothing noble in your fate. Christ what have 
you done?"

Chris Herrage


From: "Mikey" 
Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:40:27 -0700
Subject: Trivial Questions, Most Song Played Live, Kazoo?

>From: broon 
>Subject: In The Moooooood & a trivial question ?
>I love every song they have ever played. And I mean every one !!! (even Tai 
>Chan) However Tom Sawyer, Spirit and Closer live have become rather 
>redundant don't you think ? I wonder if the band feels the same.

What's wrong with Tai Chan?  *L*
Anyway... I would think after playing Closer to the Heart for over 20
years in every concert rhey've ever played does get a little old but you
almost expect that song when you go see RUSH, and so do a lot of fans
who go to the concerts and don't know all the osngs like we do...:)  I
think the Boys would like to keep as many of their fans happy with a
diverse selection of song (Hey, take a look at this time around, they'
added 2112 (INCLUDING DISCOVERY, and the ORACLE!!!), as well as Natural
Science, although NS was missing a few parts... but that's okay...:)  It
was still a rocker...

Had to be Closer to the Heart, no doubt about it

>"Michael Z. Williamson" 
>>"Mikey" said: <>
>>Okay... I need some info on this... I was working on "In The End" and 
>>During the guitar solo (at approx. 4:22 on the CD) It sounds like the
>>guitar that is bending the A a full step to B is doubled by a Kazoo!!!  
>>REALLY!!! lsiten to it... like RIGHT NOW... and tell me
>it's called "More distortion than a human being should be allowed to play 
>with without a license." run in stereo

*LOL*  Then do I hear OVERDRIVE through my tubes?  *grins*

>Scott McDow 
>on another Mikey note. An incredible discovery IMO!
>>on "In The End" and during the guitar solo (at approx. 4:22 on the CD) It 
>>sounds like the guitar that is bending the A a full step to B is doubled 
>>by a Kazoo!!! REALLY!!! lsiten to it... like RIGHT NOW... and tell me... if 
>>that is the case
>You betcha. No doubt about it. Left channel.  It's easier to catch if you 
>balance all the way
>left. Definately a wind/humming sound not string. Great call.

Okay, so I'm not going crazy... I brought this up with a friend of mine,
I poped the FBN CD the player and skipped to In The End, and sat there,
and when it came through I'm all OK, listen carefully, what is that
doubling the guitar?  He listened for a moment then he exclaimed loudly,
It's a KAZOO!!! And he went all off about how much Rush kicks ass for
making a little insturment like a Kazoo actually usefull, That'd be a
trip wouldn't it, The Boys playing In The End, and Ged comes out with a
little kazoo during the solo... Definatley a picture perfect moment... 
Anyway, I went on to tell him about the 1/4" plywood that Neil used in
YYZ, and he is beginning to wonder what else the Boy's have used...
sounds like we're going tape by tape (I do that anyway cause I have all
the albums in my car and I listen to them all about every 5 or 6 days or
so) I just started over so I'll keep ya posted if I don't get into a


The guns replace the plow, facades are tarnished now
The principles have been betrayed
The dreams's gone stale, but still, let hope prevail
History's debt won't be repaid


From: PipeDreems 
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 01:59:39 EDT
Subject: Who will play?  (The boys in the movies that is)

I agree with Jeff Daniels as Alex, and Tom Hanks as Neil.   And now for the
classic.....(drum rolls only- no flames!)

The part of Geddy Lee will be played by Cher.   (You are either laughing
hysterically or firing up the flame thrower).  Before you react, consider
this, if Sonny Bono were still around, he could play Neil as a 63 year old...

Respectfully submitted.
Tommy Boy

"I'm not one to go pointing my finger"


From: "Brian T. Peterson" 
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 01:31:30 -0600
Subject: personalized plates

I need some advice. I would like to somehow put "Dreamline" on my
license plates. The maximum is 7 letters but Dreamline is 9 letters.
DAMNIT!!! What would be a good way to abbreviate Dreamline into 7
letters? Please e-mail me privately. If any of you have some cool other
Rush license plate ideas as well, please e-mail those with the Dreamline
suggestion. Thanks!!

"We travel in the dark of the new moon"


From: "Michael D Denney" 
Date: Thu, 21 May 98 02:45:07 PDT
Subject: out-takes

This may seem to be back-tracking, but...
1-I notice in 'Freewill' that Geddy says "if you choose
not to decide you still have made a choice" but the
lyric sheet inside the album clearly say "you cannot
have made a choice".  Did the band do some inter-
views or something that influenced them to change
the song at some point?
2-I received a 15-question quiz from a guy nicknamed
'flame' where he asked me to name the first Rush al-
bum where Geddy sang his own backup vocals.  I
responded >>Rush<< since I thought I heard Geddy
doing this on a couple of songs on their debut effort,
but 'flame' said it was on 'Presto'.  I wondered if any-
one knew for sure?  Thanks, though, 'flame'--your
quiz was informative.
3-I was wondering if anyone had experimented with
stereo systems and come up with the optimum set-
up for playing Rush albums, CDs, or cassettes?

"A spirit with a vision is a dream with a mission"
Michael Denney


From: "Brian T. Peterson" 
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 03:07:26 -0600
Subject: The Billings Metrapark

Hello! Every now and then, I feel the need to whine and bitch and
complain about our beloved Billings Metrapark. As I've mentioned time
and time again, the Billings Metrapark sucks royal ass when it comes to
concerts. I say this because 98% of the concerts are Country. Metrapark
holds around 11,000 people and is located out here in Billings, Montana.
Garth Brooks will be coming here sometime in the summer. I HATE country
music, but I will on rare occasions tolerate some of Garth's older
stuff. But, you won't catch me dead listening to his newer albums! A few
days ago, the very front page of the Billings Gazzette(our main
newspaper) read something like: "GARTH BROOKS SELLS OUT 4 CONCERTS AT
METRA!" For much of the population, this is about the most exciting
event to occur in the Montana/Wyoming region in years. Because of the
extremely high demand, and to keep things fair, Garth Brooks himself
organized some stupid ass raffle system for purchasing concert tickets.
I got the joy of seeing nearly everyone in the population prancing
around with a bright pink band around their wrist to signify that they
had received a "raffle number." So, four shows have been booked, four
shows have been sold out.  What exactly is the deal with this guy? I
mean, for the most part, the man doesn't even write his own songs. The
Billings media has made damn sure to point out over and over again that
Garth has been declared by some organization, "music entertainer of the
year." How does someone earn this title exactly? Much of it comes down
to publicity. Commericalized!

This whole situation brought to light one of the many reasons why I love
Rush so much. I could go into some philosophical speech, but I think all
of you know what I am trying to get at. The following question
summarizes it: How many Garth Brooks "TV specials" have been on the past
few years? I think it's in the quadrillions now.

Go Garth!!! Screw that. GO GEDDY!!!

"We travel in the dark of the new moon"
"Chicks dig me, cause I rarely wear underwear and when I do it's
something unusual." - Bill Murray, "Stripes"


From: greg cormier 
Date: Thu, 21 May 98 7:06:49 EDT
Subject: A Show Of fans

 Does anyone know the status on the fanzine "A show of fans" ? Are they 
still putting out issues or are they officialy out of business ? I tried 
E-mailing them but got no response. Any info would be greatly appreciated. 


From: Eric R Martin 
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:29:12 -0400
Subject: Limelight on the charts

I recall looking at a listing of the rock charts sometime in early '83 and
seeing New World Man at the top.  Numero Uno.  Of course this was the rock,
and not the general chart.

As for Limelight, Tom Sawyer or Subdivisions not charting higher than Take Off
  Aren't the charts based on singles sold.  I understand the songs respective
chart positions if that's the case.  I don't think the Great White North sold
nearly as many albums as Moving Pictures or Signals.

Another way to look at the whole deal is that I still hear Tom Sawyer &
Limelight on the radio (to my chagrin- I'd rather hear Driven or Carve Away
The Stone now) and not Take Off.

Does Billboard have a website w/ archives?



From: Brett Gentzel 
Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:02:15 -0400
Subject: Song played the most live...

"broon" wrote--

>I'm curious.
>(perhaps this is in the FAQ's)
>What song has been performed live (in it's entirety) the most ?
>Just wondering, and I have a bet on it.

It's gotta be Closer to the Heart, right?  Every tour since AFTK...



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