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         The National Midnight Star, Number 2085

                   Friday, 14 Aug 1998

Today's Topics:
                   AOL/AIM submissions
                       album title
                    Red Buick Riviera
                   LIVE ALBUM SETLISTS!
               Headbanging to rush songs...
             Grace Under Pressure tour video
                     Different Stages
                       (no subject)
         My take on "Different Stages" title....
                       Lost Fan...
     The UK Rush Convention......just another plug!!!
              MP in Columbia House magazine
                  MMCXII  OR  XXIXII???
                  live album moved back
                   Rush at the ballpark
                       MST3K & Rush
                  RUSH & The Spice Girls
                 Live Album Track Listing
                 Beastie Boys do Rush...
                    One last thing...
                      New Rush fans?
                        Live album
How Y2K Could Delay A Proposed 1/1/2000 New Studio Release
                      KOPTI Matchbox
                  Most embarassing album
                        New Album
                     Rush sighting!!
   roll the bones t-shirt / title of next studio album
                     re: rush cd-rom
                 top 100 greatest solos 
                       rush haters
          Rush At Radio City Music Hall (1983).
                        Live album
                     Live Album Songs
          Re: The dang pentagram thing again...

From: (The RUSH Fans Digest Manager)
Date: Fri Aug 14 11:13:28 PDT 1998
Subject: Administrivia

I have heard that "The Analog Kid" *MIGHT* be included on the album after
all. Perhaps they changed their minds... it would explain the new release
date of NOVEMBER 17th! (see Rocky's post below)

 - rush-mgr


From: John Gerard Lupoli 
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 18:10:51 -0400
Subject: Lyrics

Hi Rushians,
	I just got a cool bootleg cd on Saturday that I bought from Brent North
(thanks Brent. It's an awesome cd.) It's called "By-Tor '74" and it's
from the Rush tour. It's almost the same thing as Electric Ladyland
except it is remastered and there's no scratches or weird sounds.
	Anyway, some of you must of visited my web page by now. But now I'm
going to make a lyric section. I can get lyrics from all the songs. But
I need lyrics for "Not Fade Away", "You Can't Fight It", "Bad Boy", and
"Fancy Dancer." I also need to know (if it's not too much trouble) who
wrote the lyrics and who wrote the music. Can anybody help me with this?
I know that you guys are a big help.

Matt Lupoli
Age: 14
North haven, Ct


From: Nick 
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 23:32:03 -0700
Subject: Pentacles

>From: dan roveto 
>Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:25:55 -0400
>Subject: Before it gets started!
>I hope that this doesn't start into a huge ordeal.  Someone expained the 
>meaning of the star that was on the cover of 2112.  

I would just like to clarify something (not make a big deal out of it).
About Dan's comment on the star on the 2112 cover, he is slightly wrong.
Whether it is upside-down or not it is called the same name.  It is a
PENTACLE.  The five star points symbolize the five elements: Earth, AiR,
Fire, Water, and Spirit.  The only time it is a pentagram is when it is
written on something (hence -gram).  Though he is correct in that the
upside-down pentacle symbolizes satan.  The right side up pentacle is
utilized in witchcraft and I guess the other is used in satanism.  I don't
really know Rush's beliefs and I don't particularly care, so don't start a
big arguement over this.




From: Cary 
Date: 	Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:54:03 -0400
Subject: AOL/AIM submissions

Oren Liebermann -- wrote:

"This is just your average selection from just your average guy. Lately,
I've noticed two things.  First, AOL and it's Instant Messanger have
grown rapidly very recently, and it wouldn't surprise me to find out
that most of you out there reading this right now have it.  Second, Rush
fans love to discuss Rush (I'm no exception).  So here comes the
suggestion.  Since we all love to discuss Rush so much, why not share
each other's screen names so we can talk with one or two other people
when we're on?  It sounds like a good idea to me.  
1. Oren Liebermann --"

This is a good idea.  But rather than clutter the NMS with this, why
don't we store it somewhere?  I'm willing to organize all this and put
it into a web page.  Then all we need is for the esteemed Rush-Mgr to
post a link to it on the NMS page.  I can put the list up on my web
space.  So anyone who's interested, send me email with your screen name
and let me know if you would like your email address included.  Hope to
hear from you soon :)
Cary Hall

ICQ# 6956498


Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:22:36 EDT
Subject: album title

Different Stages eh? Hmmm.....I like that MUCH better, kinda reminds me of
another 3-piece Canadian trio's live release. But whereas Triumph's "Stages"
was pretty much their coup de gras, lets hope the same thing won't be said for


We've got Mars on the horizon, or so it says here....LET'S GO!


Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:44:16 EDT
Subject: Red Buick Riviera

What follows is NOT A FLAME, just a humorous observation:

>> I recently purchased what serves as my Red Barchetta, a 95 Buick Riviera.

When I read this, the first thought I had was: "what if the song WAS called
'Red Buick Riviera'"? Can you imagine the intro on ESL: "This is a song
about a car, this is called Red Buick Riviera", crowd cheers. Just imagine
the lyrics: "I strip away the old debris, that hides a shining car. A
brilliant Red Buick Riviera from a better vanished time." I was laughing
out loud!

Anyway, on to more serious matters... Yeah, the top 100 solo list was
pretty bogus. Whoever made the list is obviously VERY biased. In my
opinion, people like Steve Vai, Steve Morse, Joe Satriani, Eddie VanHalen,
and Alex (of course) should be on there several time each.
And Stairway to Heaven #1?! Jimmy Page was a great songwriter, but lets
be honest, he was a sloppy guitarist, especially in his solos.

One of the things that I admire about Alex is that he doesn't seem to have
that typical lead guitarist attitude. He doesn't seem to use the solo
section of a song to be flashy or show off. He plays what will fit and help
the song as a whole. His solos seem to fit perfectly with the mood and feel
of a song. And some Rush songs don't even have solos! Many rock guitarists
would have a heart attack if there was no solo in their song. They would
take it as a personal insult, but not our Alex.

That's my 2 cents for today.

Later Dudes,
Chris Cosentino


From: (Chuck Flowers)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:00:23 -0500
Subject: by-tor

Are any of you out there the owners of a car with a BY TOR license plate
that was parked at Hermann Park in Houston this past Sat. nite.  Just

c money


From: Javier Reyes 
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:59:36 -0500


This is a complete setlist for both live albums. I found on at 'ASOF HQ',
from a letter by Steve Streeter (located at Nms-manager
please let me know if I am wrong or right.

    [ It is the correct setlist.                                  : rush-mgr ]

Disk #1

2001/Dreamline * Limelight * Driven * Animate * The Trees * Closer to the 
Heart * Bravado * Nobody's Hero * 2112

Disk #2

Test for Echo * Freewill * Roll the Bones * Stick it Out * Resist * Drum 
Solo * Natural Science * Leave That Thing Alone * Spirit of the Radio * Tom 
Sawyer * YYZ

Disk #3 - Ogden Hammersmith Feb. 1978

Bastille Day * Bytor & the Snow Dog * Xanadu * A Farewell to Kings * 
Something for Nothing * Cygnus X-1 * Anthem * Working Man * Fly By Night * 
In the Mood * Cinderella Man


Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:57:31 EDT
Subject: Headbanging to rush songs...


No, it definitiely isn't seen very often at a Rush concert either, although,
you will see a couple spirited audience members pick their moments...Back a
couple of years, during the Roll the Bones tour (I was 19 back then, just like
you...and had about 12 inches more hair than I do it was appropriate)
I just started banging away during "Anthem" in their encore medley...people
were quite surprised...but I thought it was so cool for them to play that song
(one they hadn't done in aeons...) and they were playing it so was
mandatory headbanging I did!
Bang your head with zeal, young man...while you still have the brain cells to
which you can do conussive damage!


From: "Ayse S. Guven" 
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:38:47 +0300
Subject: Grace Under Pressure tour video


I have been looking for the GUP tour video for many years.  I will be in
Bolton, UK during 20-26 September 1998.  I wonder if there is anybody
out there to help me find the VHS video.  Please send any
offer/suggestion to:

Tuncer Guven


From: Rocky Landsverk 
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:50:56 -0700
Subject: Different Stages

great news on several fronts.

firstly, rush has released promo material to media outlets, which includes
krause publications. release date is oct. 6, so i'm not going to post the
setlist or liner notes, but i will say that the rush manager hasn't yet been
wrong. i have more exciting news (for myself), but first let me throw a few
tidbits toward you.

1. the album is entitled Different Stages.

2. it is three discs, including the Live at Hammersmith Odeon 1978 third

3. geddy writes a note to rush fans in the liner notes, thanking fans for
supporting them to their "continuing amazement." geddy is also listed as the
co-producer with paul northfield.

4. the album is dedicated to the memory of Jackie and Selena.

that's all i'm willing to release, out of respect for the record company,
which certainly has time to change the setlist or liner notes. i know there
will be a media outlet somewhere that will ignore the embargo date, so i'm
sure you'll be reading the full setlist in no time.

now for the personally great news ­ after more than three years of trying,
i've finally convinced goldmine magazine to write a cover story on rush
(guess who gets to write it?) it will be a very comprehensive story on the
history of rush throughout its 25 years. there will be sidebars highlighting
the influence they've had on rock and also detailing their collectibles.

here's where i need your help. i'll be compiling a list of questions to ask
geddy and alex (i won't be talking to neil, unless something changes). what
would you like to know? also, where is the best source of collectibles
pricing? also, what bands have specifically mentioned rush as an influence,
and where was the mention?

i appreciate the help. i'm sure i'll be using several of you as a resource,
so let me thank you all in advance.

Rocky Landsverk - Associate Editor / Sports
Krause Publications


Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:00:52 -0700
Subject: (no subject)

This regards the comments of Keith on the subject of Signals.
    First, I must state that Signals is by far, pound for pound as they
say, the best RUSH record to date.  I say this without apprehension and
I'll tell you why.  What Keith stated with re: to Signals being a
musical study of adolescence and growing
up is very profound.  I too draw the opinion to its effect it had on my
own pubescent years.  The initial track 'Subdivisions'clearly paints the
picture of troubled middle-class youth in an environment that breeds
cliques as well as outcasts.  Yet this is not why Signals is RUSH's
greatest work.  It's the pure, unabashed driving musicianship that  L, L
&P exhibit on this
record that makes it second to none.
    Coming off what I feel were the band's coming-of-age records,
Permanent Waves and  Moving Pictures,  RUSH
graduated to a whole new level.  This was the first significant release
that did not have at least one epic-in-length song, i.e..
'Hemispheres', 'The Camera Eye' and 'Natural Science'.   Instead we got
eight spectacular songs, all standing together to
make a wonderful whole.  The record exhibits virtuosity that I believe
was spawned by PW and MP.  Also, there is a cinematic
feel to Signals that, as a striving, independent film and videomaker
myself, had (and still has) a profound effect on me and my
work.  You see 'The Analog Kid' gazing up through the puffy clouds
pondering his future; you feel the pain of the writer and
the dancer in 'Losing It'; and you witness the awe inspiring adventure
of space flight in 'Countdown'.
    These are just a few thoughts I had on the subject of Signals, a
subject that I feel is too often ignored in what is truly the
greatest body of work in modern rock music. I would love to read more on
the subject of Signals and how it fits in your
RUSH experience.

Mark Hill
Uphill Pictures
Sacramento, CA

P.S. With re: to the best solo performed on record by Alex......Listen
to 'The Weapon'.  It doesn't get any better than that.


From: (Jonathan A Gilsdorf)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:46:31 EDT
Subject: My take on "Different Stages" title....

	I'll keep this short.  I think it has a double meaning, kinda
like "Moving Pictures".  On the one hand, the CD will probably be a
compilation from many different venues (stages).  On the other hand, it
is possible that "different Stages" is a subtle reminder of the phases
(or stages) that Rush has gone through over the years.
	Later all,
	Jon G.


From: John Gerard Lupoli 
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:59:56 -0400
Subject: Pics

Attention all Rushians,
	I need some pictures for my homepage.

1)A picture of Rush from 1974 (with Neil instead of John Rutsey)
2)A picture of Rush from 1975 (Fly By Night Era)
3)A picture of Rush from 1976 (2112 Era)
4)A picture of Rush from 1976 (All The World's A Stage Era)
5)A picture of Rush from 1981 (Exit Stage Left Era)

Can you guys help me out?

Matt Lupoli
Age: 14
North Haven, Ct


From: donald 
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:10:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Lost Fan...

I've lost a great friend in the Houston area.  BIG Rush fan.  John
Oliphant, if you're out


From: "Rob Hunter" 
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 05:57:39 PDT
Subject: The UK Rush Convention......just another plug!!!

Since I have received so many messages and requests for info for the 
Convention, I'd thought I'd save a lot of typing time by just plugging 
the event he goes....

The 3rd UK Rush Convention will take place on Saturday, 19th September 
at Leicester University in England, starting at approx 2pm and finishing 
at midnight (or whenever we get flung out of the bar)....

Tickets are priced at £12 and are available from Mick Burnett, Editor of 
"The Spirit of Rush" Fanzine who organise the event...

Cheques are to be made payable to "The Spirit of Rush" and sent with an 
SAE to:


Please send the SAE otherwise no tickets will be sent...Around 100 
tickets have been sold so far, which isn't really good enough, 
folks....last year we had close to 1000 people at the event, so get your 
tickets quickly!!!!!

There are loads of stalls selling merchandise, Bootleg CD's, concert 
videos, and so on; a huge Rush Raffle with loads of tour stuff as prizes 
eg last year we had copies of The Masked Rider and A Work in Progress, 
and the Grand Prize was a Moving Pictures Platinumn Disc....

Show wise, there's Rush Karaoke plus a full tribute show by one of the 
UK's premier tribute bands, "Tom Sawyer" please come along, 
cause as a favour to the organisers, I'm on vocals for the Tom Sawyer 
Show, so I'll need loads of support!!!!!!

See you there, and if you meet me at the bar, I'll have a lager!!!


Rob Hunter


From: "Muscianesi, James" 
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:16:17 -0400
Subject: MP in Columbia House magazine

I just got the latest Columbia House Music magazine in the mail and was
surprised to read the following text for the Moving Pictures CD:

RUSH - Moving Pictures
And on the 7th day, God created power trio RUSH - and King's X and
Primus looked up from their high chairs and said, "Hey, these guys
rock!" Includes classics Tom Sawyer; Limelight; Red Barchetta and YYZ,
plus The Camera Eye; Witch Hunt and Vital Signs. (Mercury) 1981. 211961

The only thing wrong here is that this is not the remastered version.
They have the remastered Blizzard of Oz and Diary of a Madman but not

Rush On,


From: "Cristóbal Andrés Marcoleta Friedl" 
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:26:27 PDT
Subject: MMCXII  OR  XXIXII???

Hi, rushians, long time since i posted my last one, but all this time i 
was wondering how would it be to write 2112 in roman numbers, and i 
couldn't decide between MMCXII or XXIXII.
Maybe is just a pronunciation problem but anyway, can anybody help me?
thank you


see you later................


From: Rocky Landsverk 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:23:11 -0700
Subject: live album moved back

the release date for the live album has been pushed back to Nov. 17, we're
told by the record company. we weren't given a reason (nor did we ask,
actually). perhaps they're going for the christmas season, or perhaps
there's another product they don't want to compete with. whatever the
reason, we have to wait that much longer.

Rocky Landsverk - Associate Editor / Sports
Krause Publications


From: Jason Pettis 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:39:39 -0600
Subject: Rush at the ballpark

I saw the Colorado Rockies play the Mets at Coors Field.  While I have
lived in the Centennial State for most of my life, this was the first
time I went to the ballpark to take in a game.  When each Rox player
comes up to bat, a theme "song" (actually just a few measures) is 
played, e.g. Larry Walker comes to bat, Ozzy's Crazy Train plays.

What song was played when Pitcher Darryl Kyle steps to the plate?
Tom Sawyer.  The first power chord plays, and then Geddy sings "A modern
day warrior..."  and then the music fades out.

I assume each player gets to pick his theme music.  It wasen't much
Rush, but it was nice to hear it each time he was up.

Final score:  Rockies 11  Mets 4

 C-O-M-P-U-T-E-R- -E-R-R-O-R- -H-A-I-K-U- 

Server's poor response
Not quick enough for browser.
Timed out, plum blossom.

Jason Pettis - Campus Technologist - New Vista High School -


From: "Christopher Nolen" 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:11:16 -0600
Subject: MST3K & Rush

Eddy Maxwell  asked on Fri, 07 Aug 1998
11:53:00 -0500


That's my specialty:

You'll see my name under the Rush FAQ question on this topic, though that
E-mail address (and the list itself, for that matter) is out of date.

"Gamera is full of meat!"


From: Ken Redding & Anne Nanos 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:15:01 -0700
Subject: RUSH & The Spice Girls

What you ask...  is going on here?

This is for those of you with kids, who have been overwhelmed with Spice
Mania and have been to one of the shows.  Check the tour book, which you
no doubt bought at least one copy of.  Look at the credits on the inside
back cover.  Specifically, the last name in the left side column.  Yes,
it's Tom Whittaker - Bus Driver.  Those of you who have been around the
block a couple of times will recognize 'Whitey' as Rush's long time bus
driver (up until Counterparts).  With Rush not touring, he's got a find
a way to pay the bills.


Ken Redding
Vancouver, BC


From: "Michael J. Doran" 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:20:02 -0400
Subject: Live Album Track Listing

>2001/Dreamline / Limelight / Driven / Animate / The Trees / 
>Closer To The Heart / Bravado / Nobody's Hero / 2112
>Test For Echo / Freewill / Roll The Bones / Stick It Out / Resist / 
>Drum Solo / Natural Science / Leave That Thing Alone / 
>The Spirit of Radio / Tom Sawyer / YYZ

Well I must say that I am not impressed to see songs like The Trees, YYZ,
Tom Sawyer, Spirit of Radio appearing for a second time on a live album and
CLoser to the Heart appearing on it's third *consecutive* live album when
NOT A SINGLE track has been selected from Presto. I pretty much expected
that with 8 years having passed there would not be much Presto
representation but this is ridiculous.



From: (Ryan  N Waggoner)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:02:47 -0500
Subject: Beastie Boys do Rush...


Okay, couple things here...

1)  Aren't the Beastie Boys white?  I was sure they were...

2)  I thought "wack" was a *good* least, I was always under
the impression that it was...

Ah, well, I guess we should just be happy they've *heard* of Rush, eh? 

"Someday we'll find it: the rainbow connection; the lovers, the dreamers,
and me."
     Kermit the Frog ("The Rainbow Connection")
Visit my page!!  <  >


From: (Ryan  N Waggoner)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:40:45 -0500
Subject: One last thing...

I got my copy of 'Shock Rock II' last week.  *Very* cool book.  I haven't
read the whole thing, yet, but I, of course, sat down and read
"Drumbeats" instantly.  *VERY* good.  And now, I shall just babble on for
a while longer, just to make it look as thought my post is longer and
more important than it really is, okay?  So, how 'bout them Mets, eh? 
Pretty far in this post, there have been well over 5 words, and
in fact closer to being over 75.  If I keep going like this, I should hit
150 in no time.  I bet I'm gonna get a ton of flames for this, aren't I? 
That, and the fact that I post 3 and 4 messages in a row on TNMS every
time I post something....okay, that's it.  You've all had to suffer
through quite enough for now, so I suppose I'll just stop.

"Someday we'll find it: the rainbow connection; the lovers, the dreamers,
and me."
     Kermit the Frog ("The Rainbow Connection")
Visit my page!!  <  >


From: (Ryan  N Waggoner)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:20:34 -0500
Subject: New Rush fans?


I'd like to agree, but if there's one thing I'd hate worse than seeing
the boys get no recognition, it's seeing them become "trendy", you know? 
I mean, it's one thing for all of us, since we got into Rush because *we*
thought they were cool.  But it's completely different now -- I'd rather
hear people say "Rush sucks!" than to know they're only listening to Rush
because someone *else* told them Rush is cool, and in about 3 months,
Rush will be "old hat" (kinda like that phrase...  ;) ).  I know I should
be thrilled every time someone new starts to listen to Rush, but I just
can't stand the idea that Rush would become a trend, have 15 more minutes
of fame, and then be shoved out the door to make way for the new new New
Kids On The Block or somethin' like that....

"Someday we'll find it: the rainbow connection; the lovers, the dreamers,
and me."
     Kermit the Frog ("The Rainbow Connection")
Visit my page!!  <  >


From: "Brandon Erickson" 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:52:37 PDT
Subject: Live album

Hey Y'all,

I am along-time listener, first-time caller (blah, blah, blah). Anyway, 
I wanted to voice MHO about the new live album. I have the same mixed 
feelings as our dear administrator. Do we really need to have another 
live version of "Tom Sawyer", "Freewill", or "Spirit of the Radio"? 
Don't get me wrong, I love these songs; these are the songs that got me 
hooked on RUSH in the first place. However, I love the newer songs, and 
the ones that never made it onto live albums in the past, too. Obviously 
that was a corporate decision out of the hands of the band members; I 
can't see them not wanting to showcase their other work in a live 

I am excited about the third CD. It will be cool to hear songs like 
"Cinderell Man" live. I was too young to catch those shows. Can't wait 
for a new studio album!


From: "bytor" 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:18:34 -0500
Subject: How Y2K Could Delay A Proposed 1/1/2000 New Studio Release

Assuming that Rush indeed still has any plans to release another studio
album (my personal opinion is that it won't happen), on the oft mentioned
date of January 1, 2000, I would have to say that if the Year 2000 computer
problems come to fruition as many have speculated, then the release would
have to be delayed.  I know this is 16+ months away, but it has crossed my
mind.  Anyone else feel like chiming in?

Just my random thinks...



Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:25:56 EDT
Subject: KOPTI Matchbox

reason, my attempt in mailing was unsuccessful.  I would like you to mail me
on the details of the Matchbox car.  Please.

BTW- My sentiments exactly on another darn live track of Tom Sawyer.  (Though
I do fancy the remix version on the Small Soldiers soundtrack.  I'm highly
into techno/drum&bass music so it was a treat for me.)  I was hoping and
praying for Analog Kid, thats one of my faves.

And I do have a crazy theory on the "real" meaning of "Carve Away The Stone."
Check the lyrics here: "Roll that stone to the top of hill."  My theory:
Rush's wisecrack shot to the Rolling Stones. Message: If you guys can still do
it, so can we.  And we all know that the Rolling Stones (who despise by the
way) did not only roll to the top of the hill, but are diving down the other
side.  Ok, so I like "Sympathy For the Devil."


Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:41:39 -0400
Subject: Most embarassing album

Got to be Michael Bolton "Decade of hits". I got it in the "Crimes against
humanity" shelf of Towers. Oh well, we all do stupid things once in a while.
"Shine on, you crazy diamond"- Pink Floyd


From: "Lewis, John" 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:53:44 -0400
Subject: New Album

Hello all!
	Looks like the new album is going to be very good. I'm anxiously
awaiting the release. It's too bad tha Cold Fire and The Analog Kid
didn't make it because they are such great songs.
	In response to Valkyrie's request to Rush and MST3K, there are
about 5 to 10 episodes in which I know of a mention of them. They have
been on a roll lately with 5 out of the last 5 episodes with a
	Cat's post almost made me laugh. I actually knew someone who had
the Hanson CD. I would have to say that my Scorpions World Wide Live CD
is the most embarassing one I have right now.

Take care!



From: "Steph R." 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:54:12 EDT
Subject: Rush sighting!!

    I was talking to my best friend, and she'd purchased a new CD. She 
was listening to it, and said, "Oh my gosh, did that just say that?" she 
stopped the CD, went back through and listened to it again- sure enough! 
The band (and CD) is called NerfHearder, the track is called Golf 
Shirt... the lyric?

"I wasn't always a hard core punk rocker- I was listening to Rush and 
trying to feather my hair."   (or some semblance therein- no lyrics 
     It was the funniest thing! You guys gotta hear it. (buy the CD, 
it's really good)

PS There's also a very interesting song about Van halen... (no i'm not 
trying to respark the controversy it's just funny)


From: (z z z)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:47:28 -0500
Subject: roll the bones t-shirt / title of next studio album

i have a roll the bones t-shirt for sale.  it's a large, white, all-over
print, never worn, please email me privately with your offer.  

and my idea for the next studio album title, if they made the album
approximately 60 mins. long::   Rush: Hour     what do you think?

"If at first you don't succeed, it's probably someone else's fault."


From: (z z z)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:50:03 -0500
Subject: re: rush cd-rom

well, i seriously doubt that they'll have all over rush's videos on the
(proposed) cd-rom.  i'd guess it would something more like music for some
(or all) of the songs, perhaps a few interviews.  maybe some videos, but
i'd guess videos would be on VHS or DVD, not cd-rom

and i wouldn't go so far as to say that rush is more popular than ever, i
still haven't heard anything anywhere else (radio, music stores, etc.)
about a new rush album showing up.

"If at first you don't succeed, it's probably someone else's fault."


From: (z z z)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:50:58 -0500
Subject: pentagram

damn you galahad, you're confusing people, a pentagram does not have a
geometric definition!!  it is not scientifically recognized as a shape!! 
it only comes into significance in the cases of alchemy, magic, etc.  if
you want me to, i will go out and by a book of the history of *real*
magic and give you references.  if it points up, it's neutral or "good,"
but if it points down, it's "evil."  

if you are really that adamant, i will go to barnes and noble and get a
book of magic

"If at first you don't succeed, it's probably someone else's fault."


From: (z z z)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:48:32 -0500
Subject: top 100 greatest solos 

> Who can honestly pick out "Working Man" as Alex's best solo or "Under a
Glass Moon" as
> John's best solo??  And who has the balls to name the #1 greatest
guitar solo??? (Guitar's 
> writers obviously)    Blah ... Crappy surveys.

i agree completely, to pick out only 100 solos as the greatest of all
time is preposterous, to even consider it would be insane.  who's to say
that some garage band in southeast montana doesn't have the most stirring
and musically creative solo in the business.

i mean, Santana only once?  what about 2112?  no wolf hoffman (Accept,
german band), if you haven't heard "starlight," you need to.  no glenn
tipton?  and no bruce springsteen?  definitely one of the most talented
guitarist in history.  the list was piss-poor.

"If at first you don't succeed, it's probably someone else's fault."


From: (z z z)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:51:27 -0500
Subject: rush haters

well, as far as i know, just about all of my friends hate, or at least
don't like rush.  so they think!  one of my friends heard the live
version of what you're doin' (from chronicles) and said it was awesome
(he didn't know who it was at the time.  then he heard the solo from
about 12:00 into 2112 and thought that was amazing.  so now i've got him
listening to rush a little.

but when i ask just about everyone else what they've heard by rush, it
usually comes up that they can't name anything by rush.  though Q98 plays
tom sawyer about everyday, closer to the heart, the trees, and
*occasionally* new world man.  so i mention closer to the heart and tom
sawyer, and they say 'that's it, those songs!'  i ask if they like them,
they say that the songs are ok, but lacking (???).  so my opinion on rush
haters is that they haven't heard the right songs to get them started. 
some people it's better to start them off with cinderella man and
madrigal, then closer to the heart and xanadu.  other people want to hear
something like what you' doin or dreamline, cygnus x-1 or a passage
through bangkok.  

remember, if you want to try and get some one to listen to rush, make
sure you know what they want to hear, and play something like it for
them.  the first impression is the most important.

"If at first you don't succeed, it's probably someone else's fault."


Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:03:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Rush At Radio City Music Hall (1983).

     Was anyone as fortunate as me to have seen Rush back in 1983 at
Radio City Music Hall in N.Y.C. ? They played (5) nights and previewed
3 songs from Signals which they had just completed but not released.
They were Subdivisions, New World Man, and The Analog Kid ( one of my
all-time favorites).
All of the shows sold out at $17.50 a pop and I went to the 1st, 3rd, &
last show.  I had 10th row dead center for the last show and I remember
looking up at that beautiful domed ceiling in Radio City and feeling
that the Gods were truly looking down on me that night...
     They played alot from Moving Pictures and the acoustics were
unbelievable in that venue.
I remember they ended with Vital Signs and its true what they say- the
song is amazing Live;
and I can still hear Geddy's voice echoing through the hall "everybody
wants to deviate from the norm" over & over again like they didn't want
their New York experience to end...


From: "Craig B. Berwaldt" 
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:18:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Live album

Time for my once a year posting.

I must vent. I must.

The track listing for the upcoming live CD is absolutely emabarrassing.
The band should be ashamed to put this out. Lets see...

The Trees...again
Closer to the Heart...again. Will this overrated song ever die?
2112. Not even in the right key. 
The same drum solo...for the most part.
The Spirit of Radio...again
Tom Sawyer...again. See Closer...

Why?   I like almost all of these songs. I dont want them to be on another
album. I already own the first three where this material is covered. I was
really hoping for The Pass, Ghost, Vital Signs, Analog Kid, Cold Fire etc. 
That would have been a great live CD. Instead I will get a repeat of the
past ...again.

My same complaint holds true for the live setlist over the last half dozen
tours. Way too much repitition. Put something out for the real fans of
your CATALOG of work rather than the Greatest Hits type of thing.

I am very disappointed and will now seriously consider not even buying
this piece of garbage.

I guess all good things must come to an end sooner or later.




Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:20:52 EDT
Subject: Live Album Songs

Hi All,
     I don't know about anybody else, but I'm a little disappointed by the
songs selected for the new Live album. How many times do we need Trees,
Closer, Freewill, Spirit and Sawyer?? It's not like the songs have really
changed over the years! Although it is pretty cool to finally have Limelight
and a regular live version of YYZ! 
     What happened to Analog, Pass, Vital, Xanadu/Prelude, Double Agent, Cold
Fire, Half The World (A fairly big radio hit here in NJ) Time & Motion, and
     Hell, the stage set on the T4E tour was based on Half The World!! I don't
get it! Oh well, at least we get Natural, Bravado, and the updated 2112 (Thank
     I really hope the Video has some of these gems! (If there is one!) And I
hope the rumors about the CD-Rom are true!!
     Back to lurker mode,


Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:37:07 +0000
Subject: Re: The dang pentagram thing again...

Ryan, I've enjoyed your previous posts, and I hope you will allow me to 
gently correct some of your points about the pentagram (no pun intended!).  
Yes, we are almost done with the subject.  I managed to ignore that other 
guy's post because it was so obvious he was blathering.  Also I thought this 
might make for an interesting discussion on different symbol-systems.
I agree with you that the star on the cover of 2112 is merely a star in a 

>Secondly, what you all keep refering to as a "pentagram" (a symbol of
>evil) is a five-pointed star, made of five unbroken lines, contained
>completely within a circle.  If you look closely at the star on the cover
>of 2112, you'll see that *all FIVE* of the points are protruding
>ever-so-slightly from the circle.  The same is true in *every* picture
>which has the circle/star symbol.
>Thirdly, it makes absolutely *no* difference which way the star is
>pointing...if it's made of 5 unbroken lines, and it's completely within a
>circle, it's "evil" it's pointing one way, it's considered satanic,
>and if it's pointing the other way, it's considered witchery (or whatever
>the word is I'm lookin' for...something to do with witches and witchcraft
>and Wicca and that crap...).

In eleven years of studying ceremonial magick, I have never heard that the 
pentagram has to be completely within the circle to be considered a symbol of 
"evil."  Rather I have heard that the circle contains the energy while using 
a pentagram without it allows the energy to spread out.  But, then, perhaps 
you know more about it than I do.  I'd like to say that your ideas about the 
"pointing direction" are less than accurate: you see, five elements are 
attributed to each point of the pentagram, and Spirit is attributed to the top
point if the pentagram is up.  Spirit reigns over the other four elements....
Earth Air Fire & Water....hmmm, four Counterparts...anyway, when the pentagram 
is flipped so that Spirit is down, and essentially matter reigns over Spirit, 
people get freaked out and say that's satanic...which is an interesting thing 
to say, considering our materialistic society you say below, 
these things are just symbols and have no intrinsic meaning.  But we attribute 
meaning to our symbols which *can* make them very powerful.  Remember a few 
years ago, the big hoo-hah about to-burn-or-not-to-burn American flags?

>Hugh Syme, in many, many sources, has been quoted as saying that
>Neil came up with the idea.  I think "came up with the idea" pretty much
>indicates it was his idea.

I could kick him for this.  (Kidding -- he is MY DRUM GOD.)  Couldn't he 
foresee the meaningless debate we'd have so many years later?  Did you guys 
ever hear that RUSH stands for Royal Ushers of Satan's House?  I heard that 
in high school.  I swear, people have great imaginations!

>What is the thing on the cover of 2112, then, if it's not a pentagram?
>Simple -- it's the Red Star of the Solar Federation.
THANK YOU!  It's very simple folks!

>... and the whole thing happens to be on fire.
I thought it was projected on water.  But then, I like to believe that Geddy 
burps during Camera Eye.

> But if you can't even force yourself to rip some pages out of the Bible, 
> then you've been >worshiping *that*, and not God.
That's a great exercise in non-attachment!  The Buddhists would be proud of you!

>What I'm saying is Rush *can't* be a Satanic band, unless you
>*want* them to be, and if that's what you want, so be it.  But I happen
>to find a lot of *Christian* things in Neil's lyrics, as well, so, as far
>as I'm concerned, Rush could be a Christian band.  It's all in how you,
>as an individual, interpret these things...

This is an excellent point, but let's take it a step farther and look at 
their effects in consensus reality.  Because this is so obvious to me, 
perhaps someone else may agree?  There was a time when Ozzy was getting sued 
because some kid offed himself while listening to an Ozzy song, I believe it 
was Suicide Solution.  That's sad...and I'm the first to grant Ozzy his right 
to artistic expression....but the reality that occured is that this kid
offed himself, which caused a bunch of strife.  Perhaps Ozzy included too 
much of the dark forces in his music - certainly, tipping the scales towards 
light would have produced a constructive effect, helped this kid to deal with 
his world.  Now, on the other hand, Rush inspires us to greatness, integrity, 
as I've seen many of you write here, "Rush is the soundtrack of my life!"  
Trite but true.   The reality that is occuring is that Rush helps us out in 
whatever ways with our lives.  Therefore, they are not of the dark forces.  For
those who didn't follow this, this means that RUSH IS NOT A "SATANIC" BAND!

>Don't you think Neil is smart enough to know if the image he created is the 
> one he wanted?
Agree.  Neil's a pretty perceptive guy.

Of course, I could be completely wrong about all this.  Really, I hope that 
other Rush fans would be open-minded; that's the kind of company that I like.  
But anyone may feel free to flame me privately, they will be cheerfully 
ignored.  Peace be with you, Elise

"And if the toaster stops
There's only the pound-cake to blame" ---The Breadman


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