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         The National Midnight Star, Number 2087


                 Wednesday, 19 Aug 1998

Today's Topics:
                      Administrivia
                     anyone hear this
                   No cold fire???!!!!
             live album list too repetitive?
                       rush trendy?
            Re: darn pentagram or whatever...
                Rush Merchandise for sale
                       Headbanging
                       (no subject)
                      Syme/Neil/star
    re:Subject: Rush At Radio City Music Hall (1983).
                   About the live album
                  Red Star and Satanism
                   TOOL:  rivaling RUSH
                       CTTH bashing
                      bashing again
                        pentagram
             power windows to brighten my pc
                 y2k & the music industry
                        mood music
                     The Masked Rider
                         NMS post
             You Can't Fight It/Fancy Dancer
                           RUSH
         (1) Live CD set list; (2) fade-out songs
                        live album
                       Rush CD ROM
 CD Thoughts -  (one reason that bootlegs are so popular)
        Songs dropped from the February, 1978 show
                      New Rush Fans!
                    CD-ROM vs Box Set
               Clearing a few things up...
                           Y2K
                       Subdivisions
              Rush section on new rock site
                          (none)
                Rush CD anthology for $ale
                      signals et al
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From: rush-mgr@tnms.com (The RUSH Fans Digest Manager)
Date: Wed Aug 19 13:50:05 PDT 1998
Subject: Administrivia

The track listing may not be as fixed as we first thought. Someone
mailed me saying they have the promo sampler, and it contains
"The Analog Kid" from the Montreal Counterparts show, and "The Pass" from 
the Seattle RTB show. Perhaps they're still adding and dropping songs, or
perhaps they *were* intended for the live album, enough to make the promo,
but dropped at the last minute. Only time will tell...

 - rush-mgr

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From: CChan82502@aol.com
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:59:17 EDT
Subject: anyone hear this

I was listening to a Buffalo radio station today and after Tom Sawyer the DJ
said that there is a cd coming out of all Rush tunes played on classical
instruments. He did not say if Rush was doing it or some other group but he
said sometime this year. Anyone else hear this rumor?
Also, I was disappointed with the exclusion of some songs especially since Tom
Sawyer and Spirit are included again. It is a shame that nothing from Presto
will be included, I was hoping for a couple of songs atleast. I was thinking
that maybe the record company "encouraged"  the boys to put more of the more
popular songs on the cd.
I don't know if this bothers anyone else but I hate when I put in a cd and
find out it's less then an hour in length. You can get 75 minutes on a cd and
I hate it when bands don't use all the available space. Rush is notorious for
this and it seems to me there would be room on the live package to add one or
two more songs just because they haven't used up the whole cd. If it's a
studio release and a band does not have enough material they should through on
some live cuts or interviews, something.
Also, if you get a chance listen to the Matthew Good band, the Watchmen, Big
Wreck, Moist, the Hip. they are all canadian bands and they all kick butt.   
Well those are my thoughts for the day. 

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From: Todd Anello 
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:00:47 -0000
Subject: No cold fire???!!!!

I just checked out the Set list for the new live almbum and can't believe 
they did not include Cold Fire. I thought that was one of the better 
songs from CP. I can see why they almost have to put Tom Sawyer on but 
some of the other songs that are repeats from previous live albums didn't 
need to be there. And people wonder why we collect bootlegs! Just my $.02

Todd

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From: denimking@juno.com (z z z)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:51:48 -0500
Subject: live album list too repetitive?

well craig, i must agree that rush should put more of the excellent, but
lesser known songs on the new live album.  personally, i probably
wouldn't buy it if i couldn't get it for so cheap from BMG.  but you
never know, there might be remixes, variations, etc. of some of the
songs.  and i'm glad ...the heart hasn't stopped beating yet (hee hee,
little play on words), it's a classic song that may never become
unpopular, look at take another little piece (of my heart),  stairway...
and purple haze.  those songs have been around longer than a lot of us
and are still quite popular.

just some thoughts

adam
"If at first you don't succeed, it's probably someone else's fault."

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From: denimking@juno.com (z z z)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:38:03 -0500
Subject: rush trendy?

i don't know about rush becoming trendy, but it would be neat to see. 
granted, they would eventually go out of style, but think of it this way.
 picture rush as a big wheel (as in someone important), and every time
they're brought to people's attention by the media, they're just rolling
through the peoples minds.  what wheel rolls through something and
doesn't get covered with whatever it rolls through?  (i.e. mud, water),
they're bound to expand their fan base, even if they don't last that
long.  even though bell-bottoms went out of style, people still wore
them.  and look what's happened, they're back!!  they may be called
flares, but a rose by any other name...

adam
"If at first you don't succeed, it's probably someone else's fault."

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From: denimking@juno.com (z z z)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:15:58 -0500
Subject: Re: darn pentagram or whatever...

(completely off the subject, but acknowledge this part anyway) what is
that excerpt from the the breadman that fits perfectly with the sound of
a line from bravado?

i hope, elise, that i'm not "the other guy," but to get on with this.  it
depends on what you are associating the pentagram with.  as everyone
should know, depending on the subject, a symbol can have as different
meanings as bear and bare.  think of it as a "homovision" if you will. 
the symbols look alike, but mean different things.  

example:  associating with - music, symbol - AC/DC, what it means
(basically) - a band
	associating with - electricity, symbol - AC/DC , what it means -
alternating current or direct current

	associating with - music, symbol - amp, what it means - power
unit for elec. instrument (i.e. guitar)
	associating with - electricity, symbol - amp, what it means -
unit of current

i'm sure i just talked myself into a corner so i'll curl up into a ball
and try to avoid any flames flying my way

feel free to mock (or debate with) my poorly written rebuttal(?)

adam
"If at first you don't succeed, it's probably someone else's fault."

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From: Scott Neighbours 
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:30:39 -0400
Subject: Rush Merchandise for sale

In conjunction with Amazon.com, the Neil Peart Picture Archive is now
offering a wide variety of Rush related books, CD's, videos, and laser
disks at good prices.  There are some rare imports for sale along with a
lot of other neat stuff.  Check the stuff out at:
http://members.tripod.com/~Neighbours/Peart

Take care,
Scott
scottnbr@net-link.net
ICQ#:15855074

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From: SWEDGE@webtv.net (SCOTT WEDGE)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:55:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Headbanging

Heard a few of you mention "headbanging" to Rush songs lately.

Maybe it's just me, but I can't listen to "Virtuality" without throwing
my head up and down during the verses (listen to it and you'll see what
I mean). The perfect Rush headbanging song, wouldn't you agree?

(Of course this is NOT safe to do while driving!!...- "Well officer I
can explain why this happened, you see I was listening to this Rush
song, REALLY getting in to it, you know, and then that tree came out of
nowhere, you see, and......")

Scott Wedge - swedge@webtv.net
Auburn University - WAR EAGLE!!
"Put your message in a modem...." - RUSH

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From: jim <2112@spectranet.ca>
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 20:52:31 -0400
Subject: (no subject)

I was hooked ever since Tom Sawyer! Now almost 18 years this band still
satisfies all my musical desires.  I love all sorts of music but no
other band even comes close! Someone once told me that if RUSH put out a
Disco or Country album I'd like it......I agreed! (Country music is like
kissing my sister or drinking sour milk)
 I've always felt that RUSH was "My" band...goofy...yes but I'll bet
most  of you feel the same way!
I'm thrilled to hear that a new live CD and CD ROM will be released
soon, however in some ways I have mixed feelings. The gap between CDs is
becoming longer and longer which is understandable given their age and
priorities.  With the tragic deaths in Neil's family I can't help but
feel the end of RUSH is near. I'm afraid that the new releases are a bit
of a cash grab.....I'll still be the first in line to buy them
though!!!!!!!!!! Ever hear RUSH do "Not Fade Away"?............they've
come a long way!!!!

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From: kwf22@webtv.net (Keith Filling)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:01:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Syme/Neil/star

Elise made some very good points in response to one of Ryan's many
recent posts.  Her statement that Neil is very perceptive got me
thinking.

The fact that Hugh Syme is mentioned as saying that Neil came up with
the star (and probably knowing all about the "Royal Ushers of Satan's
House" thing), could be that Neil was clearly thinking ahead...

*Neil, smoking and pondering*  "You know, we're rumoured to be a Satanic
band...why not throw a pentacle into the mix?  They'll be arguing about
it for twenty years."  

If this was the case, he probably giggles his ass off every time he
thinks about it. :)

Don't ask me, I'm just improvising.
Keith

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From: "Wayne Zuhl" 
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:37:38 -0400
Subject: re:Subject: Rush At Radio City Music Hall (1983).

>From: RVELEZ@webtv.net (ROBERT VELEZ)
>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:03:12 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Rush At Radio City Music Hall (1983).
>
>     Was anyone as fortunate as me to have seen Rush back in 1983 at
>Radio City Music Hall in N.Y.C. ? They played (5) nights and previewed
>3 songs from Signals which they had just completed but not released.
>They were Subdivisions, New World Man, and The Analog Kid ( one of my
>all-time favorites).
>All of the shows sold out at $17.50 a pop and I went to the 1st, 3rd, &
>last show.  I had 10th row dead center for the last show and I remember
>looking up at that beautiful domed ceiling in Radio City and feeling
>that the Gods were truly looking down on me that night...
>     They played alot from Moving Pictures and the acoustics were
>unbelievable in that venue.
>I remember they ended with Vital Signs and its true what they say- the
>song is amazing Live;
>and I can still hear Geddy's voice echoing through the hall "everybody
>wants to deviate from the norm" over & over again like they didn't want
>their New York experience to end...
>BobbyV

Sorry to disagree with you BobbyV, but, I too was at one of those shows
(Friday September 23).  The band was previewing songs from Grace Under
Pressure, not Signals, and the songs they previewed were Distant Early
Warning, The Body Electric and Red Sector A, which Geddy announced would be
the title of the new album.  

Other than that, you are basically correct.  

It was also my first Rush Concert, I've seen them at least once on every
tour since then.

Wayne "Waynbo" Zuhl
Waynbo@worldnet.att.net

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From: "Mansueti" 
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:48:47 -0400
Subject: About the live album

Hello to all Rush fans out there!

I should say that, I'm not very happy with the forthcoming live album. I
really hate the idea of not including songs that every Rush fan would like
to hear on a live record just to put new versions of song like Tom Sawyer,
The Trees, The Spirit Of The Radio, Closer To the Heart, YYZ or Freewill,
that I doubt will be better than the ones in the Exit...Stage Left album.
Maybe in a concert video they could be in place and I would jump out of my
seat, but not in another live record. 

Lets see, not a single song from Presto? I don't like that, Show Don't Tell
and The Pass are terrific tracks and deserve to be there, just like Cold
Fire (in my opinion one of the best songs of CP), Vital Signs, Ghost Of a
Change, Half The World, at least the Prelude to Hemispheres and Analog Kid
(one of my all time favorites). 

At least Limelight and Natural Science made it's way this time, and so did
other songs I love like Dreamline, Animate, Stick It Out, Leave That Thing
Alone or Test For Echo among others, but I'm still quite disappointed with
the fact that we, the Rush fans, are going to get half of what we expected.

When ESL was released I was expecting a live version of Limelign, but it
wasn't there. By the time ASOH came out I expected the Fear Trilogy to be
there, but they dropped The Weapon and it was a shame (and I felt also
dissapointed with the version of Closer To The Heart). But this time
there's way too many reasons to feel bad about and even though I'm gonna
get a copy (did I mention that Rush is my favorite band?) righ now I'm not
really excited about the live album.

I'm sure, most of the fans, right now think (and feel) just like me.

Bye
Andrés

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From: Brian Robinson 
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:09:47 -0400
Subject: Red Star and Satanism

Clearly the intent of the Red Star on the 2112 was meant to symbolize
evil and repression.  However, looking solely at the star and drawing
the conclusion Rush supports evil and satanism is silly.  One can not
look at the Red Star without also looking at the image of the naked
man.  The naked man symbolizes freedom and innocence.  The image of the
naked man and the Red Star together conveys the true message of the
album - that we must protect freedom and individuality FROM evil and
corruption.

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From: LastGrtDay@aol.com
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:38:40 EDT
Subject: TOOL:  rivaling RUSH

Ahoy fellow Rushians...

I saw TOOL perform last night, August 13, at Red Rocks Amphitheater in Denver.
And I must say that I believe that TOOL is one of the bands taking progressive
rock into the next century.

Fear not, my fellows, PROGRESSIVE ROCK IS NOT DEAD!!!

Touching on the Dream Theater thread-- I don't like Dream Theater that much, I
respect them all very greatly as musicians but I don't think they have the
magic that Rush does..... but TOOL has that unique creativity that makes them
so much more enjoyable to me... Can't really describe it without blabbing a
lot so I wont.

Danny Carey:   DAMN!!!!!!!!!!  I find his playing 100% more tasteful and solid
than Mike Portnoy's... and I really like Portnoy's drumming.  As far as a
drummer on the scene today that would be Neil Peart's "heir"  I would say
Danny Carey would be.

So, if TOOL is coming to your neck of the woods soon, I recommend you get
tickets and check them out.  Sure, they're wierd, but they simply ROCK.
That's all
Peace
 Arbon Reimer

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From: Scott McDow 
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:10:12 -0400
Subject: CTTH bashing

Hey!

I realize that there is quite a bit of disappointment
regarding some repeats listed for the live set. Here
is my opinion. Songs like closer to the heart have
evolved so much over the years, I feel like they
*need* to be there. Personally I'm looking for a
counterparts tour version of ctth to be on DS, if
only for the introductions by al. As the band has
gone through different stages (pun intended),
many of these song some fans are calling trite
have evolved also. Personally, it wouldn't be a
true rush live album without ts, ctth and tsor.

Well, anyway, you wont hear any pissy gripes
from me. :-)

later,
scoots

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From: Scott McDow 
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:15:31 -0400
Subject: bashing again

Meant to say this also. The album is titled
*Different Stages*. How can you have and
display different stages by only playing songs
from four studio albums?!!? Maybe they
should have titled the live album "Rush: Song's
from our last four studio albums, oh yea and
the analog kid too!"

later,
scoots

(please read *some* sarcasm in the previous 2 posts)

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From: Scott McDow 
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:29:33 -0400
Subject: pentagram

Hey!

Personally I think Neil put the red star on the
front cover for two reasons:

1. To display the red star of the solar federation

and

2. To help sell albums with the confusion of the
demonic symbol. The boys knew if this album did
not sell, then they were toast. There would be
no other albums. Instead of changing their style
for radio airplay, they sold their book for the
cover. How much demonic content is there
actually on 2112? None. I think the band paid
for it later for having to defend their religous
stance later, but it sold albums at the time, and
they got to keep their musical integrity!

later,
scoots

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From: joelynch 
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:29:15 -0700
Subject: power windows to brighten my pc

I want to recommend the power windows website to everyone on the list
who has a pc: http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/

Hanstones (hanstones@aol.com) has done a great job providing Rush
desktop themes and a link to shareware to manage the themes for those
who don't buy everything microsoft produces. (the Desktop Theme Software
was easy to load and use, no problems found yet)

Hanstones, thanks again!

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From: joelynch 
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 23:52:07 -0700
Subject: y2k & the music industry

This caught my eye from Dave (bytor@i1.net):

> Assuming that Rush indeed still has any plans to release another studio
> album (my personal opinion is that it won't happen), on the oft mentioned
> date of January 1, 2000, I would have to say that if the Year 2000 computer
> problems come to fruition as many have speculated, then the release would
> have to be delayed.  I know this is 16+ months away, but it has crossed my
> mind.  Anyone else feel like chiming in?

Just my random thinks...

This is a hot issue for the music retailing industry, just like most
others. I work for one of the largest music distributors in the US and
we have gone through significant efforts to achieve y2k compliance.

For those who don't know what this is about, it's that in many systems,
dates are stored like yymmdd, where yy is the last two characters of the
year, mm is the month, and dd is the day. For example, as I type this,
it is August 14, 1998. Systems at risk would store this as 980814. The
problem comes up Jan.1, 2000 when the date would read 000101. Many
computer systems interpret that as Jan. 1, 1900, causing automated
programs using dates to have all sorts of problems.

It's still somewhat early, but it's looking pretty good for major
retailers/suppliers. A bigger issue may be with financial institutions:
you may not be able to use your credit/debit card to buy the cd.

A bigger issue may be the distribution mechanisms to get the album to
stores on 1/1/2000. Besides being a holiday, Jan. 1, 2000 will be a
Sunday. Traditionally in the US, new releases come out on Tuesdays, to
allow for all music retailers a level playing field in selling the key
new releases. Having a significant new release (the last several Rush
albums peaked the first week of release) released on a Sunday, a
holiday, when who knows what will be happening to the general economy
because of y2k, sounds like a logisitical nightmare. I'm curious how it
worked for Permanent Waves back in 1980 and would appreciate if anyone
remembers how Polygram managed it.

I know there are some others in the industry who get this- any comments?
Offline is fine by me....

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From: Lance2112@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 04:58:13 EDT
Subject: mood music

[note to Rush mgr: I've never had a post go unprinted, I was a bit
disappointed....am hoping that my changes might be acceptable. Or was it the
drug reference?]

   [ Um, what *are* you talking about. I never saw your first post...
                                                               : rush-mgr ]

Aloha fellow Rushians!
     Just thought I would disengage lurker mode before it got permanently
stuck and figured that my birthday (Aug 10) was as good a time as any to post
something.
     Like most fans, Im eagerly anticipating the new live set and to answer
the question as to which disc hits the CD player first? AFTK tour, without a
doubt...but more on that later.
     I listen to a wide variety of music (it helps that I'm a DJ), but time
and time again I find myself coming back to RUSH because of two simple
reasons. First and foremost is the pure emotional response that it illicits in
me, not to mention the images from my past that it seems to conjure up
whenever a specific song comes on.
     Let me give you an example of mood enhancement. Sunday I was driving back
from my mother's in Conroe back to my home in Houston, about an hour away. I
popped in my cassette of Chronicles that was cued up at "A Farewell to Kings".
During the acoustic guitar intro, I was driving out of the subdivision (no pun
intended), filled with lush green trees along a golf course. Just as the tempo
kicked in, I pulled out onto the feeder road and accellerated to get on the
interstate. When the next song ("The Trees") came on, I was crusing thru the
final thick patch of trees before hitting the urban sprawl of Houston. Of
course, driving to "The Spirit of Radio" (IMHO the best concert opening song)
"Red Barchetta" and "Limelight" was enjoyable as well, each causing the foot
to get a little heavy on the gas pedal. Ultimately, what was an hour drive
seemed like a mere 10 minutes! 
     As for certain songs bringing back memories, at least half the RUSH
library will take me back to a specific moment in time or a special place and
most likely cause me to smile. Of course, a song like "Subdivisions" always
makes me think of the dreaded HS experience, but others are not so obvious.
     When I listen to "Cygnus X-1", the ending where Geddy strains to sing
"Every nerve is torn apaaaaaaaart!" ALWAYS reminds me of the time that my
buddy Derek was giving me an atomic wedgie as I was going back upstairs to
stop the tape (I was recording it at the time) just as Geddy was wailing and
the song was almost over. I have to sit back and laugh that at the time I
could have easily hit that high note right along with him....hehehe

**POSSIBLE THREAD IDEA!**

     OK, so what RUSH song takes you back to a time or place that has
absolutely no relation to the song whatsoever? I can't think of a weirder one
for me, although "The Fountain of Lamneth" always conjures up images of a
memorable mushroom trip, but we wont go there....

In the CD changer:
RUSH - Freefall (bootleg)
Plant/Page - Walking Into Clarksdale
Genesis - Archives (disc 3)
RUSH - Experience to Extremes (bootleg)
Fleetwood Mac - The Dance

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From: Kenneth Cohen 
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:06:24 -0300
Subject: The Masked Rider

I just got finished reading Neil Peart's book "The Masked Rider. "  It is a
must read for any RUSH fan.  Anyone who loves Neil's lyrics will certainly
love reading his book.  It may be one of the greatest books ever written!

Long live RUSH!

  - Ken Cohen
    kcohen@pharmacol.rochester.edu

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From: "eddy Maxwell" 
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:08:33 -0500
Subject: NMS post

Hey!

You had a question.  I have an answer.  Take it as you will.  :)

 Cristobal wrote:

> Hi, rushians, long time since i posted my last one, but all this time i
> was wondering how would it be to write 2112 in roman numbers, and i
> couldn't decide between MMCXII or XXIXII.
> Maybe is just a pronunciation problem but anyway, can anybody help me?
> thank you
>

Even though it's pronounced XXIXII or twenty-one twelve, the correct
Roman numeral is MMCXII.  Those crazy Romans!

Valkyrie
 -
"What do you want from life?
What do you want from love?
What do you want from me?"--Tommy Shaw

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From: John Gerard Lupoli 
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:08:52 -0400
Subject: You Can't Fight It/Fancy Dancer

Hey Rushians,
	I like to say thanks to Bob Baker who helped me get the lyrics for Not
Fade Away for my site's lyric section. I also found the lyrics for Bad
Boy. And I remember somebody once saying that it was a cover song of the
Beatles but the Beatles used it as a cover song from somebody else. I
found out who that somebody else was. It was Larry Williams.
	Anyway, I still need some help. I still need lyrics for You Can't Fight
It (from the first single) and Fancy Dancer (from Electric Ladyland
Studios.) I found out that the lyrics  and music for You Can't Fight It
were written by Geddy Lee and John Rutsey but I don't knwo what the
lyrics are. I odn't know who wrote Fancy Dancer and I don't knwo the
lyrics very much. I have the song on my By-Tor '74 cd and I can probably
try to listen for the lyrics but I have trouble understanding what Geddy
is saying. Can you guys help me out?

Matt Lupoli
Age: 14
North Haven, Ct
http:// geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/2740

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From: Kenneth Cohen 
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:26:16 -0300
Subject: RUSH

Does anyone know what education Neil, Alex, and Geddy have?

	--Ken Cohen
	   kcohen@pharmacol.rochester.edu

    --Ken

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From: "Drs. Samuel A. and Marta P. Scott" 
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:14:11 -0600
Subject: (1) Live CD set list; (2) fade-out songs

(1) LIVE SET LIST

A lot of people are complaining about the live album set list, pointing
to redundancy (TS, CTTH, Trees) at the expense of newer material (Ghost
of a Chance, Double Agent), in particular the apparent omission of the
ENTIRE Presto album.

I tend to agree, especially regarding Presto.  That was the first of the
4-album series following their last live release.  It would have been
highly appropriate to include material such as Show Don't Tell (a
relatively major radio hit for Rush), The Pass, Superconductor, etc.  I
am also of the faction that considers Presto to be perhaps Rush's best
modern studio release to date.

However, I doubt the record company had anything to do with this, as
some have suggested.  Atlantic may be in charge of which cut is released
as the lead-off single (as has been the case historically).  They are in
no such position to advise the members of Rush, their producer, or their
recording team which material should be included on a live record. 
Rush's own preferences and the practical issue of which songs were
captured best during performance are the principal factors governing
which songs go all the way.

Rush were probably not sufficiently satisfied with any of the live
recordings of Double Agent or Show Don't Tell.  This may well have been
a joint decision with Paul Northfield, who is co-producer (with Geddy)
and chief engineer.  Would Geddy Lee default to Atlantic regarding the
list of songs?  I don't think so.  He's probably not pleased with the
fact that Presto is not represented at all on the live CD (very strange,
indeed).  He may also have particular reasons for including Tom Sawyer
again. (Incidentally, Tom Sawyer has previously appeared on only ONE
live album.)  Perhaps he is retrospectively dissatisfied with that
version, and/or the band felt they had simply captured a much better
version of it at some point during the last two shows.

The fact that the live CD is derived from only the last two tours
(unfortunately; RTB was by far the best tour of the decade) is yet
another limiting factor.  By the time of the TFE tour, clearly they were
in a retro frame of mind.  They might still be.

I must say that I do agree with the general disappointment expressed
regarding the selected material.  No, we don't want a third live
rendition of CCTH.  I am also mystified by their bland reliance on
"Dreamline" as the first song to play live and sure enough the first
song on the live CD.  They are not very adventurous in this respect. 
However, I think this stems largely from the recording quality of the
material they had to work with, not their record company's preferences.

(2) FADE-OUT SONGS
"While I realize the boyz fade some songs and abruptly end others for
reasons unknown to us, but does anyone else believe "Available Light"
should have ended with Geddy only with the final "In the Available
Light......."  The music should have stopped with Ged singing that last
line.  Talk about shivers!"

I think that Rush makes excellent use of fade-outs, and this particular
song is a great example. It gives one the sense that the song never
really ends, and could perhaps be sustained indefinitely, providing a
subtle vehicle for some great instrumental (and vocal) virtuosity.

In fact, I am somewhat disappointed that Rush has moved considerably
away from outros, particularly on Test For Echo (note that Rush's most
celebrated songs nearly all feature fade-outs).

Sincerely,

Sam Scott
scott1@ne.uswest.net

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From: Andy 
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 17:57:03 GMT
Subject: live album

Hi people,

Good to hear that the new live album is going to be a 3 cd set. The more the
better eh.

Anyways, any news on a British release date. 

Is there REALLY going to be a cd-rom at some point?

Thanks.

Andy.
http://members.tripod.com/~speedway_3/index.html
http://www.escalix.com/freepage/speedway/
ICQ 17131726

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From: Art Brown 
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 14:56:30 -0400
Subject: Rush CD ROM

I'm so excited about all the new Rush stuff coming out. Do we know if the CD
ROM might be included with the live album, or will it be a separate product?
Just curious... 

All I can say is PLEASE let it be Mac compatible. (Someone said a while back
that Geddy likes Macs) Also...does anyone have any Rush Macintosh desktop
icons, patterns or screensavers available? Mail me if you do.

About the live album...will anyone be a little disappointed if some of the
tracks are from the same concert as a popular boot (Animated for example). I
think it's kind of like finding your Christmas presents hidden in your
parent's closet.

Oh yeah: My most embarrassing album is an LP of Buckner and Garcia's
"Pac-Man Fever" (boy - as a 4th grader in 1982, it was 100 percent whoop-ass
back then)

Take care everyone :)

Art

in my CD player: 
1. Animated Disk 2    
2. Cowboy Junkies "Miles From Our Home"  
3. Crowded House "Recurring Dream"

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From: "Chris Muller" 
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 17:06:56 -0400
Subject: CD Thoughts -  (one reason that bootlegs are so popular)

Well, I'm not surprised by many of the postings of disappointment over the
song selections for the upcoming CD.  It will be very frustrating to lose
out on The Analog Kid (maybe) / Cold Fire / Double Agent / Show Don't Tell
/ The Pass /  Vital Signs (from Rtb tour I assume) / Virtuality / Half The
World / Time and Motion / Superconductor / Ghost of a Chance / Where's My
Thing?......and all at the expense of another Tom Sawyer / Closer to the
Heart / YYZ / The Trees, etc.  The only way that I can see them justifying
this, is that the sound of these tracks is so far superior to the sound on 
ESL.....which is quite plausible.  Don't get me wrong;  I loved ESL from
the time it came out.  But from a sound standpoint, it can't even compare
to more recent recordings.

Of course, in the past there have always been some disappointments in
tracks that got lost somewhere.  For ASOH - Middletown Dreams / Grand
Designs / Afterimage / The Enemy Within / The Body Electric / Kid Gloves /
Red Lenses / Between the Wheels / and almost all of SIGNALS.  For ESL - The
Camera Eye / Natural Science (we will finally get it) / Vital Signs /
HEMISPHERES / Circumstances / A Farewell to Kings / Cygnus X-1 (Yeah! for
the Hammersmith Odeon show!)  Really, you have to go to bootlegs if you
want live versions of many of these. 

Yes, it is difficult to please everybody - Rush would have to release a
live album after every tour to really please us all.  This is not to say
that what they do release is not quality.  Certainly all of their live
albums kick ass in some aspect.  For this reason, I am awaiting the new
with anticipation.

Chris Muller
bytor@ao.net

P.S. If you are in the Orlando, FL area - my band, Aura Djinn, will be
playing some Rush covers (along with 90% original material) at our CD
release party.  We will be playing August 21 at the Hard Rock Cafe
(Orlando) at 10 p.m.  Our CD is very original, but we all took influence
from Rush growing up.  We play YYZ, Subdivisions, and The Trees regularly
at our shows.  What should we choose to play for this gig?? 

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From: Hanstones@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:45:36 EDT
Subject: Songs dropped from the February, 1978 show

Now that the songlist for Disk 3 of "Different Stages" is known, I thought it
was interesting noting which tunes they dropped from the actual show of
February 19 or 20, 1978.  After checking back to Erik Depoy's post in issue
2069, I found these songs were dropped from the show:  Lakeside Park, Closer
to the Heart, 2112 and the Drum Solo.  The remaining disk order follows that
of the show.  

Hanstones
http://www.2112.net/powerwindows

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From: Tom Mueller 
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 03:52:58
Subject: New Rush Fans!

	Hey team!
	About a month ago, I was looking for suggestions to help me ease my new
girlfriend into Rush.  Well, YYZ did the trick!  She's a musician, and was
very impressed by the song - especially Geddy's bass and the morse-code
theme worked at either end of the tune. :]

Turns out *she* is getting her little sister into Rush.  Lil sis wants to
use the morse-code "cool idea" in her original composition assignment (yes,
she's also a music student).
Huzzah!!  And thanks to those who sent me replies! :D

Just saw Small Soldiers- the film itself just has a muted 'Tom Sawyer' in
the background in one scene... and it wasn't in the end titles either. :(
Don't think I'll get the soundtrack for just one tune.

Non-Rush:  The Church play House of Blues in Chicago, Oct 1st. Yea!!

Tom Mueller
Milwaukee, WI

"This new Cool Ranch flavor
 SCUBA air isn't very good."
  Tom Servo, 'Gorgo'

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From: Paul Alexander Bartlett <4pab@qsilver.queensu.ca>
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 13:29:39 -0400
Subject: CD-ROM vs Box Set

I don't like the idea of a box set with the 'missing' live tracks,
unless it is a box set of live tracks that haven't been released before.
They have always stated that there are no unreleased tracks stored away,
so it would only be repetition.  I wouldn't mind a CD-ROM or CD-ROM set
that covers their career, and that also has unreleased live versions of
tracks such as Hemisphere's, Circumstances, The Camera Eye, Vital Signs,
Analog Kid, Grand Designs....  FM (Toronto based band that opened for
Rush in Toronto a couple of times) released an enhanced live album a
couple of years ago that was mostly music, with video clips and band
info.  Better to do something like that than to milk long-time fans with
a box set of mostly repetition.

Paul Bartlett

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From: 
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:51:31 EDT
Subject: Clearing a few things up...

Okay, just a few things that come to mind as I was scrolling through recent
issues of NMS...

First the Signals album...Yes, most people regard it as a weak album,
generally because of the dissatisfying production, and the overall regard that
the record had too much of a "keyboard" slant in the writing and production.
However, I think songwise, and especially lyric-wise, it's a very well written
album, overall.  In short, the songs themselves were quite good (I happen to
feel "Losing It" it one of their most poetic pieces to date), but their
treatment of the songs during recording lacked some luster...

Second....oy, the problems we have with understanding this whole "Pentagram"
thing and the 2112 Red Star...Ryan Waggoner's post overall had the message
pretty close to right...(it's a symbol...and those who obsess with symbols are
symbol-minded!)...however, like many X-tians, he once again made the mistake
of claiming all Pentagrams evil, and I quote:

Thirdly, it makes absolutely *no* difference which way the star is
pointing...if it's made of 5 unbroken lines, and it's completely within a
circle, it's "evil"...it it's pointing one way, it's considered satanic,
and if it's pointing the other way, it's considered witchery (or whatever
the word is I'm lookin' for...something to do with witches and witchcraft
and Wicca and that crap...).

I understand that many people tie Wiccan faith with witchcraft, but sorry to
say, that's not entirely accurate...the word "witchcraft" is indeed very
likely a bastardization of the word Wicca (meaning Wise one). However, Wicca
promotes no evil whatsoever, unless you're the type of x-tian who's afraid of
anyone else's beliefs beside your own.  The upward facing Pentagram of Wiccan
beliefs is a symbol that denotes no satanism OR evil intent
whatsoever...moreso, it has to do with nature and the universe, etc. etc.  ( I
don't want to get into details here, for a Wiccan believer---which I am
not---may have a better explanation for the "White Magic" Pentagram.  

Now, on the other hand, it IS generally regarded that the upside-down
Pentagram is a symbol of satanic worship, or at the very least, what we regard
as "Black Magic,"  But again, the "upside-down" one is actually just a
perversion of the true Pentagram, which bears no evil symbolism.  Basically,
angry people who like to do nasty things use this little star as a symbolic
explanation for why they do nasty things...which is essentially what most
"adolescent" forms of "satanism" are really about.  

What does it have to do with the Red Star of 2112?  Very little!  Because of
that (and before I go and prove that I too am too obsessed with "symbol-
minded" behavior) I will shut up now!

Greg 
NevrSilent@aol.com

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From: "Alex Smith" 
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:51:06 -0700
Subject: Y2K


Assuming that Rush indeed still has any plans to release another studio
album (my personal opinion is that it won't happen), on the oft mentioned
date of January 1, 2000, I would have to say that if the Year 2000 computer
problems come to fruition as many have speculated, then the release would
have to be delayed.  I know this is 16+ months away, but it has crossed my
mind.  Anyone else feel like chiming in?


Everyone thinks I'm a paranoid nutball (maybe I am), but on December 28,
1999, I'm vacating the city and heading for somewhere way the hell out in
the middle of nowhere. Of course, along with my food and water, I'm bringing
along all my music so that, if the world loses all electricity and
civilization breaks down, we can still have Rush!

Of course, I might want to bring a 10-year supply of batteries....

Anyone else out there as loony as I am about this?

Alex Smith
bacchus@azstarnet.com
Subdivisions (Rush):
http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/
"A man got a right to wonder
 A man got a right to dream
 Without looking over his shoulder
 To choose the manner of the life he leads
 One man's thoughts on another man's skin
 We are lover, warrior, magician kings."
  -Fish

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From: tranjan@trip.com.br (Ricardo Tranjan)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:02:29 -0300
Subject: Subdivisions

Hi, everybody

I never wrote before but I found something very strange at
http://cygnals.com/rush/subdivisions.html

Does anybody know anything about this guy Mark Dailey saying subdivisions
in the song ?

later
Fernando Tranjan

"Any escape might help to smooth
The unattractive truth"

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From: "Adrian Cagnani" 
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:26:24 -0300
Subject: Rush section on new rock site

> >Hello fellow rushians.
> >I´m Adrian from Brazil, and thought you would like to know that a new
> >brazilian rock site has distinct sections for the most important bands (in
> >their opinion), and an entire subdivision about Rush, with tablatures,
> >lyrics, photos, etc.
> >Try : 
> >http://www.whiplash.net/
> >.
Adrian Cagnani 

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From: rushfreak@juno.com (Aaron B Calder)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:57:32 EDT

Hey Rush-Freaks,

Here's an addition to a rather old thread:

Favorite TV Shows:

The X-Files
Red Dwarf
The Simpsons

Favorite Bands (In no particular order):

Rush
Dream Theater
Fates Warning
Shadow Gallery
Enchant
Metallica (Pre-Black Album)
Genesis (Gabriel Era)
Gentle Giant
King Crimson
Yes (70's Prog)
Emerson, Lake, and Palmer

If you know of any other bands I might like please drop me an E-mail,

thanks,

Aaron Calder

"Cheating is the gift that man gives himself" -Montgomery Burns

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From: bj105cd@juno.com (B. J. Cook)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 02:23:16 EDT
Subject: Rush CD anthology for $ale

Dear Rush Fans,

I've decided to sell all my Rush CDs; in other words, all the Rush
albums.  The CDs, jewel cases and paperwork are in excellent condition. 
They are not the re-masters (which I plan to purchase later).  If you
would like a list of what I am selling, here it is:

Rush/Rush
Fly By Night
Caress of Steel
2112
All the World's a Stage
A Farewell to Kings
Hemispheres
Permanent Waves
Moving Pictures
Exit...Stage Left
Signals
Grace Under Pressure
Power Windows
Hold Your Fire
A Show of Hands
Presto
Chronicles
Roll the Bones
Counterparts
Test For Echo

I am asking $225, or best offer.  I will mail you the CDs in a protective
CD case, with a nylon zippered shell.  Please respond to me by e-mail.  

Thank you.  

Barry
Sandy, UT

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From: "Keith Hurst" 
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:25:36 GMT
Subject: signals et al

In response to Mark's comments about Signals:

Signals is without a doubt one of my favourite albums by Rush.  I am 
interested that you [Mark] seem to consider the composition and 
playing to be excellent, as I feel that some of the work is, as you 
say, "second to none".  For example, I would have to say Analog Kid 
and Digital Man.  Anyway, this email is not supposed to be a list of 
what I like.

Again, I would pose a question.  Is the reason that many of us feel a 
great affinity with Signals due solely to it's musical content, or, is 
it tied up inexorably with the stage of life that many of us seem to 
have been at in 1983?  It seems to me that the people who most like 
Signals were young teenagers when it was released, or when they first 
heard it.  This reminds me of Neil's comments about Rush albums 
"being the sound track for peoples' lives". Is Signals so great to 
us, because it was the right record at the right time, if you were 
say, 15 years old?

This interests me because we all know that music is subjective, but I 
find that I keep asking myself: is it the music, was it the time, or 
is it the interaction? 

The live CD.  First, I thought Dimlit.....was a far better title, not 
least of which because it was witty.  Secondly, I must support the 
views that I have been reading in the NMS, concerning the set 
listing.  It seems sad that we are given CTTH, Xanadu etc AGAIN, at 
the expense of a wealth of material that many of us [especially in 
Europe?] have never had the chance to hear.  I especially think that 
it is a great shame that Presto is conspicuous by its absence.

Presumably, the listing is because Rush want the CD to represent a 
typical set, rather than acting as a "definitive" collection of live 
works?

Ok, that's my view from the shed.

Keith

http://www.psyc.leeds.ac.uk/staff/HurstK/

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