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         The National Midnight Star, Number 2095

                   Friday, 28 Aug 1998

Today's Topics:
               Rush sighting at TED NUGENT
                 Does Rush owe us "dick"
       Modern Day Warrior vs. The Ultimate Warrior
                    TNMS-ers in Iowa?
     Postings that never got posted......What Gives?
               the freudian length of Rush
                    XXIXII vs. MMCXII
                  High school Quotes...
              Second Nature-Little Bear show
                      Boogie Nights
                 Crymes and Mysdimeanors
            Mmcxii: Final word (better be...)
                     tabcon memories
                   Year book quotes...
              what to discuss on the nms???
                    yearbook quotes...
    Madonna ripped off Rush...Pearl Jam to the rescue?
         The joke about the "ding" in Hemispheres
                  a wave is building...
                  Rush and King Crimson
 rush spotting in the latest billboard; y2k and the music
                   RUSH does not owe us
                        TS single?
                   Rush logo stickers !
          Change To Eden(CTE)...the original _TE
                  Rush owes us nothing.
                   Rush-related tattoos
                      yearbook quote
NMS nice place to be/Can Carter B, etc. play Neils solos???
                I'm not wearing any pants!
        favorite non-rush song, and some rambling
             Different Stages listening party
                    Just wondering...

From: (The RUSH Fans Digest Manager)
Date: Fri Aug 28 11:00:53 PDT 1998
Subject: Administrivia

I've put up a few more Inductee banners, check them out:

I'll be making my decision this weekend, so if you want to send them in 
make sure to do it before Sunday!

 - rush-mgr


From: "Costello, Bryan" 
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:24:55 -0400
Subject: Rush sighting at TED NUGENT

I experienced an awesome show last night.... TED NUGENT returned to Atlanta.
The place I first saw him at on 7-8-78, The Omni has been torn down. The
club that the picture on the back of his first album was taken at, The
Electric Ballroom here in Atlanta, is long gone. But Ted is going strong.

He has aged gracefully, is in great health and looks awesome, unlike a lot
of us (me included). He does all his trademark tricks, poses, effects &
sensations. Furthermore, he does an awesome collection of songs from his 1st
4 albums and a nod to 1 or two of the post Gonzo efforts, yet they aren't
just a rehashing of the hits. He performs them in the same way, yet with a
renewed sense of vigor that puts a spark under your fanny! None of the
humorous "Wango Tango" garbage either, just straight ahead Rock & Roll. The
crowd looked to be primarily in their 30's, like I, and except for the drug
addicts (cigarette smokers that stunk up the joint with their addiction) the
show & crowd were perfect! Light years better than the Metallica abortion
(concert) I attended earlier this summer.

***Tommy Aldridge is playing drums for him, worth the price of admission
alone. And Atlanta native Derek St. Holmes came out to lay a "Stranglehold"
on us....along with a "Hey Baby" & a "Cat Scratch Fever"

If you get a chance to see Ted this summer, please, please go!!!! Even if
his music is not your cup of tea, go see him to support all he stands for.
He IS a quality individual.

To all my over 30 comrades out there, keep the spirit alive!

yours in allegiance,

Bryan C

****Oh yeah, the guy standing next to me at the Nugent show was wearing a
Rush "Starman" T-shirt. That's my Rush sighting. 


From: "Sweetwater" 
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:26:38 -0400
Subject: Does Rush owe us "dick"

Fred Pinto, in TNMS #2093, is on the soapbox hawking the suggestion that
Rush owes us more than they are delivering because they were born with
exceptional talent and ability and because we fans have stuck by them when
MTV and the radio have not.  

My HO is that Different Stages *is* a great gift they are giving us, and it
is good to hear that Atlantic is adjusting things to make it even better.  
To those who bleat that studio tweaking to perfect minor flaws in parts of
a live performance is some form of chicanery, please feel free to pick up
an "unauthorized recording" or download a live MP3 of one.   The fact is,
the boys aren't trying to "fool us into thinking they are infallible
musicians"; they are as humanly close to infallible as it is.  Who would
one point to who can play bass with his feet, keyboards with his hands and
sing complex full throated vocals over it all in near perfect sync other
than Geddy?  Is there a better drummer out there?  And Alex starts with a
difficult score to begin with and rarely misses the mark.  For that matter
how many 3 person bands are there of any caliber at all?

In terms of what we have done for Rush, they could and would be a lot
richer if they succumbed to the temptation to feed the public pop-pap for
increased radio play.  Instead they give us originality, which is way more
difficult than putting up a good basketball game, (with all due respect for

One the one hand Fred says that we hard core fans have stuck with Rush when
MTV and the radio haven't, and so they owe us; on the other he won't allow
them to include their most popular tunes on their live album as a way to
reach more audience.

Look everyone, if you've got such a problem with the setlist that you want
to bitch and moan endlessly, stick by your principles and don't buy it! 
What's that, you are going to buy it anyway?  Well then chill out and save
the pointless whining on and on and on.  

If any band has done it all for their fans, it is Rush.  They don't *owe
us* "dick".  

By the way, studies have shown that those who dwell on what they don't have
suffer far more health problems and die younger than those who appreciate
what they have.  

Live longer, appreciate RUSH!


From: "Costello, Bryan" 
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:44:06 -0400
Subject: Modern Day Warrior vs. The Ultimate Warrior

The Ultimate Warrior has returned to the ranks of Professional Wrestling.
Does anyone remember Kerry Von Erich, the "Modern Day Warrior"? He was
billed that, from the line in "Tom Sawyer", in fact TS was his entrance
music for years & years. 

UW's return has sparked a lot of conversation in some of the wrestling
circles I dominate, and Kerry's name has been mentioned an awful lot lately.
They both teamed together in Texas for a couple of years, and were reunited
in the WWF later in the early 90's. Kerry is no longer with us. His demise
is a most tragic one. 

I just wanted to throw this out for consumption. Anytime I hear his name
mentioned or his moniker, "The Modern Day Warrior", it triggers the "play"
button in my mind for the opening notes of TS.

yours in allegiance,

"you ran the night that you left me
you put me in my place
I got you in a stranglehold baby
and I crushed your face" 


From: "Green..Yellow.. REDDDDDDDDDD!!!!" 
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:15:54 PDT
Subject: TNMS-ers in Iowa?

< /lurk >
Hey everybody. Just wondering if there are any other TNMS=ers in Iowa 
besides me.

< lurk >

  /|/  \         |         Sensibility --
   |   |         |          Armed with Sense and Liberty,
   | _/          |_          With the Heart and Mind united
   / \ /|  | |\  | \          In a single, perfect Sphere
  /   \  \_/\/_\/   \_____             -Neil Peart
       \                                 Hemispheres

From: "Russell J. Thorpe" 
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:42:32 -0400
Subject: Postings that never got posted......What Gives?

Here are two postings I sent in that never seemed to show up in the digest:

I have two words to add to your Best Drummer debate.....

Terry Bozio

I feel he is by far the best drummer in the world.  Just listen to the
stuff he did with Zappa. (anyone who played with Zappa has to be a
phenominal musician.)  For an example listen to Baby Snakes (live album,
and video), Jeff Beck's Guitar Shop, and a album by Dweezil and Ahmet Zappa
which I can't remember the title of.

Russell Thorpe

>From: greg cormier 
>Date: Mon, 17 Aug 98 13:22:19 EDT
>Subject: Dream Theater review

I went to the same DT, ELP, DP show in Michigan at Pine Knob.  We had FREE
VIP tickets.  We decided that Dream Theater Kind of sucked, so we sat in
the VIP lounge gettin silly on Long Islands.  ELP on the other hand, was
excellent. (although Keith Emerson didn't wrestle his Hammond to the
ground.)  They did play Hoedown, which was cool.  the best part came at the
end, when Keith played Flight of the Bumblebee.  He also played Bach's
Toccata and Fugue in Gmin. (sp?) while sitting on his baby grand BEHIND his
Moog controller. It was awesome.  

Deep Purple put on a hell of a show as well.  Plus, Steve Morse made us all
say "Richie who?"

Russell J. Thorpe
Systems Administrator
Toyo Seat USA Corp.
ph. (810)724-0300 ext.148


From: "Michael Z. Williamson" 
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:57:56 -0700
Subject: the freudian length of Rush

An orbital mind-control laser told to say:

>I've noticed a number of people complaining that the discs for the 
>upcoming live album are not "filled" with music, i.e. only 60 minutes 

>Nobody was complaining back in the days of vinyl when Rush albums were 
>40 minutes long, even though vinyl albums could hold up to 60 minutes.

yes, but the sound quality would suck due to the groove being too

>The point is quality, not quantity.  As Brian Eno once said, "Brevity is 
>the essence of wit".  I'm sure that bands won't be putting out albums 
>that are 3 hours long once the technology improves to that point.

Oh, I think they will.  The reason the newer Rush albums are close to an
hour long is because the technology allows it.  Ged is quoted to that
effect in Visions.  


"Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first
woman she meets, then teams up with three complete strangers to kill
again." -- TV listing for "The Wizard of Oz"


From: "Michael Z. Williamson" 
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:39:27 -0500
Subject: XXIXII vs. MMCXII

"Twenty One Twelve", hence XXI XII (note the space!).

except that there is no space on the album cover, and it is stated that
2112 is a year.  Therefore:  MMCXII

now, if it were written as "twenty-one twelve," or if it were 21,12,
then it would be as you say.

We say "Nineteen ninety-eight," but it is still written either IIMM, or

you know, Roman numerals are clunky.  Is there a point to this? 


"Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first
woman she meets, then teams up with three complete strangers to kill
again." -- TV listing for "The Wizard of Oz"


From: Danny Breiner 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:05:12 -0700
Subject: High school Quotes...

I graduated from high school last june and use a Rush quote (of course). I
used "The Analog Kid" 'cause it's always been my favorite Rush song. (This
also means I am ecstatic over the set list revisions). My quote, "As I
leave..." blah, you all know it.  I have been planning on using that since
before I started high school. However, I came across a hard decision
because I also wanted to use Dreamline ("we are young...").  Well it turns
out one of my best friends used that one so it all worked out. Also, when I
was a Freshman, I was asked by the senior who drove me to school for a good
quote...the suggestion I made and she used was from
Everyday People, "If the futures..."

Danny Breiner

 --see above quotes---


From: "Todd Smith" 
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:38:04 PDT
Subject: Concert

Hello All

I too saw the Dt/ELP/DP show, and I have to say IT ROCKED!!!!! I wasn't 
huge fans of elp and dp, but now I am hooked. Dt had the clearest sound, 
Elp had a good setlist, and DP had so much energy it blew me away!!!! I 
wold defintely recommend seeing this show if you get the chance!!!

On another note, I have a meek but always somewhat interesting Rush 
Sighting. I was working in my friendly neighborhood Ranch, and lo and 
Behold, 2112 (overture, TOS)came on the Radio! It ruled!! 


        "Free advice is worth what you pay for it....."


Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 03:21:11 EDT
Subject: Second Nature-Little Bear show

                            SECOND NATURE
        An     Evening     with     the     music     of RUSH

    We will be playing this sunday August 30th at the little bear in evergreen
with the Lionel Young band. We also will be showing our new documentary film: 
                      SECOND NATURE: CAUGHT IN LIGHT
at 6 pm and we will go on about 8 pm and we will play three 45 min sets of
mostly Rush and some original material. We hope to see you all there. 
          Sundays at the Little bear can get a little wild, we hear.

Direction's to the bear are: I-70 to the Evergreen parkway and go east for
eight miles into town.

e-mail us at:

Visit our web site:

SECOND NATURE:   Caught in light     1998   Agile films    a film by     
mathew jones
filmed at the little bear march and may 1998 


From: "Dennis F. Pupello II" 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:05:44 -0400
Subject: Boogie Nights

There's been a lot of talk lately about Rush on movie soundtracks.  I'm
really looking forward to seeing the trailer for The Waterboy.  Hey, Happy
Gilmore was amusing.

I know this is going off-topic, but if you like 70's music, the Boogie
Nights CD (Volume 1) rules.  The cool touches are there, such as Mark
Wahlberg's terrible-funny singing on the opening track.  Feel the heat,

Most of the other songs groove.  Spill the Wine still kicks ass after all
these years.  And Sister Christian is, well, motorin'.

The sour note for me on is "God Only Knows" by the Beach Boys.  God only
knows, indeed.

Boogie Nights II has a lot more filler material to my taste, especially the
last half of it.  Can't recommend that one, though the first few songs rock
my world.

One great thing is they kept the original complete version of "Fooled Around
and Fell in Love", including extra verse and the entire solo.  I could
listen to that bluesy 6/8 feel all day, despite those sexist lyrics.  Then
again, they're kinda funny to listen to now.  Suffice it to say you won't
hear this tune at Eleanor Smeal's wedding.  Eheh.

Dennis Pupello II
Technology Division, City of Brooksville, Florida
personal email:
work email:
WWW personal:
WWW govt:


From: "Dennis F. Pupello II" 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:14:40 -0400
Subject: Crymes and Mysdimeanors

Chris Delp  wrote:
Subject:	prism records

[Silly stuff written by Chris berating Mike Bahr's unhappy customers -

>and for those of you like the fellow who wrote the above, all you deserve
is a kick in the teeth.
Now that's the NMS spirit.  I'm sure Rush would be glad to have a 'fan' like

>id be happy to provide this service to you.  your a peice of shit. its
maybe your just to stupid to
Okay.  If you're going to threaten somebody, at least capitalize your
sentences.  And the word is "you're", which stands for "you are," not
"your."  Oh, and the word is "piece," not "peice."  By the way, "to stupid"
should be "too stupid."   What's that story about the pot calling the kettle

This is reminiscent of when somebody wants to talk like a tough guy, but
writes, "I'm gonna kick you ass."  Ahahahaha.

>you suck and i hope you get ripped off so badly that you stop listening to
rush and go back to
>your dick cheese radio top 40!

Ah, one must go to a bowling alley to meet someone of your stature.  If you
need escorting back to the lanes, I can provide this service to you.

Dennis Pupello II
Technology Division, City of Brooksville, Florida
personal email:
work email:
WWW personal:
WWW govt:


From: Mmcxii 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:00:12
Subject: Mmcxii: Final word (better be...)

In our last episode, John wrote:

>If the album we all know and love were called "Two Thousand One 
>Hundred Twelve" then I could easily go along with "MMCXII" as the 
>Roman numeral designator for it. However...that album was, is, and 
>always will be "Twenty One Twelve", hence XXI XII (note the space!). 
>Now, if you see a red Buick Regal GS driving around downtown Chicago 
>with XXI XII on its license plates, that would be me (unless 
>someone's just stolen it ;-)). 

>With all due respect to Mr/Mrs/Ms MMCXII, I'm afraid that I'd 
>mispronounce your last name every single time. Sorry. 



I appreciate your remarks regarding your personal interpretation of Roman 
Numeral usage, however, I feel compelled to point out the huge gaping hole in 
your logic.  

Let's examine the album 2112 (notice the absence of a space between 21 and 
12).  While it is pronounced "Twenty-one Twelve," it is considered to be 
representing a year in time, the year "Two Thousand One Hundred Twelve AD 
(read the liner notes and/or the tourbook dialog on the website if you doubt 
this).  Therefore the designation of two separate numbers, "Twenty-one" and 
"Twelve," would be just that, two separate numbers.  Messrs Peart, Lee, and 
Lifeson did not title the album 21 12 so XXI XII would not be a proper 
designation when using Roman numerals.  

Case in point, look at the credits for any movie.  When they list the year 
the movie was produced at the end of every string of credits they list that 
year in Roman numerals.  You will not find a listing for a movie produced in 
1984 as IXX LXXXIV, no indeed.  You'll find it listed as MCMLXXXIV.  Notice 
the characters are all together, with no spaces.  This designates an entire 
representation of the year.  While the year 1984 is pronounced "Nineteen 
Eighty-four," it is most certainly not written as two separate numbers.  
Those that are also as experienced in the correct usage of the Roman numeral 
system would have to concur.

So, while that album was, is, and always will be pronounced "Twenty One 
Twelve" (2112) your translation of the Roman numeral representation was, is 
and always will be WRONG!

As far as your inane comments about the name I've chosen, the moniker 
"Mmcxii" is not intended, nor was ever intended to be pronounced.  It is 
meant to be a challenge for one to decipher, realize, recognize, and finally, 
appreciate.  In other words, it is meant to be read, not spoken.  Besides, 
I'd much rather attempt to pronounce Mmcxii than Xxixii any day.  If I do 
happen to see your red Buick Regal GS driving through Chi-town someday, then 
all I'm afraid I'd have to giggle...

(That'd be Mr. Mmcxii or Sir to you John) 

P.S.  While I have the soapbox out, I'd like to retract a portion of an 
earlier post about electing not to enter the bitchaboutthesetlist" 
conversation.  While not technically a bitch, I'd like to add:  As long as 
the boys are listening, the only addition I'd like to see to the DS setlist 
is "Cold Fire" from Counterparts, a great song from a great album.  If you can 
squeeze it in, great.  If not, great.  I'm an "easy to please" Rush fan...

"Some peoples kids..."   Me


From: "Michael Z. Williamson" 
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:25:28 -0700
Subject: tabcon memories

Saturday, 2:30 am--I arrive, sleeping bodies all oever Al's house.  $
drunks in the kitchen trying to play Rainbow's "Since You've Been Gone"
on an acoustic guitar.  Playing the Jaymz Bee and the Royal Jelly
Orchestra version of CTTH, to much horror from the crowd, although
Adrienned like it.
Breakfast and shower, 8 am.  Set up my guitar tree with my Washburn,
Schecter, 12 string hollow and custom 10-string.  Drool over the TWO
PRS' tht were brought.  Add my Korg to the Synthesizer Wall of Death. 
Listen to jimmy and others wail on guitar.
Getting the chili started and the burgers to marinating.  Practicing La
Villa for the 500th time this month.  Adrienne sitting on the piano
bench, headset and practice pad.  John sitting nearby, headset and
guitar.  Jimmy inthe living room. Al at his computer downloading MIDI
files.  Matt listening to CD, guitar in hand.  A roar of Rush from the

SFN, me on Rhythym. Not too bad.  Awesome bass line of the
Sean's?  Nothing for me until Sunday.  drink afew beers.  Serve the
chili.  Drink a few more beers ;).  more music, Cook the burgers.  More
music, including an early version of FBN, me on Rhythym.  More drinking,
knock off and watch South Park and Seinfeld.  Go to sleep EARLY this
time, in the laundry room for quiet.  2am, some yutz flips on the
laundry room light to see who is sleeping there--ME! 
Sunday, scramble eggs for everybody, cook bacon, do some over easy eggs
for others, down to playing.  FBN sounds good.  La Villa postponed. 
Adrienne doing an awesome job of drumming on The Weapon.  Jimmy's not
bad, either. Or any of the other 3 drummers--Sean?  who else? Chris
maybe?  You know who you are.  La Villa postponed again.  Practice it a
dozen more times.  Butcher it badly, postponed until next year.  CTTH
sounds good.  Improv jam on Limelight.  More beer, more chili.  
Find out there's no babysitter for Monday--drive home from 11 until 6.
I'll actually practice between now and next year--Hopefully this 3 year
hiatus is over.

"Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first
woman she meets, then teams up with three complete strangers to kill
again." -- TV listing for "The Wizard of Oz"


From: (Ryan  N Waggoner)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:18:03 -0500
Subject: Year book quotes...


Well, not with my pic, but as I signed my best friend's year book, I
wrote "Freeze this moment a little longer, make each sensation a little
bit stronger" under my name.  I don't even remember if I attributed it to
Neil or not, but this guy was a huge Rush fan, too, so I'm sure he
would've figured it out eventually (I don't think he's quite as affected
by "Time Stand Still" as I am, because he hasn't exactly experienced life
yet...just done nothing but school...not even real sure that he really
*knows* the song...he's more into 76-81 Rush, and I just sort of float
along through the catalogue, whatever suits my mood at that point...).

"Someday we'll find it: the rainbow connection; the lovers, the dreamers,
and me."
     Kermit the Frog ("The Rainbow Connection")
Visit my page!!  <  >

PS.  Are my posts really all *that* annoying, Mr. Fred Pinto?


From: Fred Pinto 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 10:42:20 -0700
Subject: what to discuss on the nms???

Gary wrote:

>Rush gives us a new 3 cd set and all I read about is the pissing and
>moaning about the set list..
>You pay your $40 to see the concert dont you??????
>You know damn well that "Tom Sawyer", "The Spirit Of Radio", and "Closer To
>The Heart",
>are getting played that night sometime.
>They are called "signature songs" you expect them in concert therefore you
>should expect it
>on the live album////WHAT DID YOU EXPECT??????????

>Considering all that is going on with the band we should be happy we are
>fucking getting anything at all......


hi gary,  
how do you feel about the morality of bootlegging?
can you tell me what's in your cd changer at this very moment?
what are neil's religious beliefs?
is the garbled noise at 8:49 in the camera eye a burp or a voice saying 
morning guv?
and what about _______(fill in blank with any rush song noise 
description) heard at ________(fill in blank with the exact time in the 
song where said noise is heard) in ________(fill in blank with the song 
with said noise)?
should we pray for neil on the nms?
does dream theatre kick ass or what?
counterparts or test for echo, which kicks more ass?
what IS the pass about?
which actors look most like rush?
what's in your cd changer at this very moment?
what is your favorite album?
name your favorite concept album?
what other crap do you listen to besides rush?
can you recommend any albums i might like if i listen to floyd, green 
day, 311, zeppelin and the police?
do rush worship satan?
is the red star of the solar federation a pentagram?
come to think about it, what is a pentagram?
why does ______ (fill in blank with the rush album you think is the 
weakest) suck so bad?
should we sit or stand at a rush concert?
do bootleggers infringe on the bands rights?
am i wrong to own bootlegs?
"this is my first post", how many seconds before you hit the page down 
seriously, what's in your cd changer at this very moment?

can you tell me what IS appropriate to discuss on the nms since the new 
album setlist pisses you off so much, and we all know the nms is done for 
you only, and no one else who reads the list has any say on topics that 
we discuss.


From: "Michael Z. Williamson" 
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:30:00 -0700
Subject: prizes!

An orbital mind control laser caused (The RUSH Fans Digest Goddess) to

> The designer of the chosen banner will get a prize (not sure what yet, but
> I'll think of something), just for saving me the trouble of having to be
> creative! :-)

You could give them a free NMS shirt of the batch I've offered to do for
cheap  ;)
God was my co-pilot, but we crashed in the Andes and I had to eat him.

   [ Digest Goddess? Hm... I like that! :-)
     I know, the shirts, the shirts, it's on my mile-long list of things to
     get around to when I have a life and about 3 months off of work.
                                                                 : rush-mgr ]


From: "Michael Z. Williamson" 
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:41:44 -0700
Subject: octapad

An orbital mind control laser told "Kevin & Vickie" to say:

>It is well known that drummers have BIG........imaginations!!!!

Well, at 4' 8", that's all Adrienne has that's big..  (Just joking,

>Whoever thought that "ding" in Hemispheres was electronically produced 
>and played with an Octopad has a bigger imagination than even me.  
>Everybody knows that is the classic sound of a crotale that makes that 

well, we didn't have a crotale at tabcon.  we had an octapad.  Are you
suggesting that we cheated?!?!?!?  US!?!?!!?!? 

"Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first
woman she meets, then teams up with three complete strangers to kill
again." -- TV listing for "The Wizard of Oz"


From: "Daniel Ware" 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:17:52
Subject: yearbook quotes...

Hey gang...
Oooooo, neat thread....Amoung other things not Rush related, my final line
in my Senior quote was taken from Prime Mover: (Forgive me if I get this
wrong, I don't have the lyrics right in front of me...) "From the point of
ignition, to the final drive, the point of the journey, is not to arrive."
I think that about summed it all up...
Cheers from New Mexico...
Jesus is coming..Look busy


From: "Costello, Bryan" 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:49:54 -0400
Subject: Madonna ripped off Rush...Pearl Jam to the rescue?

I just saw on a newsgroup that Pearl Jam is performing the Madonna song "Ray
of Light" in concert, for they are pissed that she ripped off Rush. 

Can anyone, anywhere shed some light on this as to the validity of it and
just how did she rip off Rush with that song? 

Most Puzzled...
Bryan C

"if voting could change things,
They'd make it illegal."

 Stiv Bators 1982


From: Brett Gentzel 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:58:55 -0400
Subject: The joke about the "ding" in Hemispheres

>"I question the post about the "electronically simulated bell-like sound" in
>Hemispheres being the sound from a Roland Octapad - as a drummer this makes
>no sense....etc"
>Since it was my post he was responding to....
>It was a joke.  More specifically, a take-off on a unecessarily tiring
>debate that occurred on this list a long while back (hopefully never to be
>repeated again)
>I apologize for my failed attempt at humor.


I for one appreciated the joke.  I could NOT believe the two subsequent
posts which "corrected" you.  Just goes to show you that "hard core"
fans can be the most short-sighted of them all...



Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:05:05 -0700
Subject: a wave is building...

Just read Eric Gumtow's post about Better Than Ezra and Third Eye Blind
mentioning Rush influences. I sense that a potential wave is building here
folks--take a look at the big picture. 

 - Last year-ish, (two years ago?) a tribute album is released (regardless
of the lack of endorsement by the band, its still a tribute, and those
musicians still worked hard at it, even if we (most of us, and the band)
don't like it very much) 

This year:
 -Tom Sawyer gets used in Small Soldiers, remixed (a tribute, and a classy
one IMO)

 -original version of TS gets used in some other movie (forgot which one)

 -VH1 does pop-up video on Rush (not a huge deal, but something...)

 - I'm sure I could rack my brain and come up with many more but let me get
to my point.

Many of Rush's influences are coming of age and getting their own
recognition--bands like BTE, 3EB, too many others to name. I sense that a
wave is building, and that the media (RRHF, RStone, etc) are going to have
to stand up and take notice. (not that we or the band really care) But they
will have no choice. Rush will wind up in the Hall, not that we (or they)
care. Its just a matter of time and timing. They simply are the Kings of
Progressive Rock.

The long and the short of it is that I think the influence of Rush on other
successful groups speaks for itself to some extent, and that sort of
influence is something that cannot be tuned out/ignored. I sense increased
coverage and popularity for Rush coming soon. (for better or worse)

Any chance anyone caught that Rockline on tape? (with BTE) I'd be willing
to digitize it for all to hear....

Lastly, someone said something about TS never being performed differently,
in all its live incarnations. I think The Boyz should have DJ Tripp guest
at the next show, and they should do a live version of the remix. That
would be phat indeed.


Not that you care....


From: Dennis Pupello II 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:08:39 -0400
Subject: SCTV

"matthew alexander majewski"  wrote:

>Greetings friends!

>Is there anyone on this list that lives in West Mifflin, Pa...

Welcome kiddies, to Count Floyd's Monster Chiller Horror Theater.  Our
feature tonight, guaranteed to scare the pants right off of you -- booooo!
 - is, is, Blood Sucking Monkeys from West Mifflin, Pennsylvania!



Look at that guy dancing there, he's scary too.  The Veapon.


Dennis Pupello II
Technology Division
City of Brooksville, Florida
city web:
work email:
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(352) 544-5435 Ext. 126


From: "Adrian Cagnani" 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:41:06 -0300
Subject: Rush and King Crimson

Hey fellow rushians.
Yesterday I was listening an album of my second most adored band, King
Crimson (I think you guess who's the first), and I noticed two interesting
things to say to NMS people:
1- Bill Bruford is maybe the only rock drummer as good as Neil Peart ;
2- Coincidently, there's a King Crimson song, on the album THREE OF A

Is there someone else who is a King Crimson fan ? 


From: (Christopher W Lindsay)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:19:47 -0400
Subject: Poll

I'm stopping the poll.  Everyone is happy with the new set list.  I should 
have started it before the change.  I believe that the majority was happy 
with the set list by just  "being thankful for a new live album."


From: Joe Lynch 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:23:30 -0700
Subject: rush spotting in the latest billboard; y2k and the music

The Aug 29 issue of Billboard has an interesting column by Chuck Taylor
on the past, present and future of AM radio. To lead the article, he
quotes from The Spirit of Radio:

"Invisible airwaves crackle with life..." through ..."almost free."

Pretty cool. Thanks Chuck, if you're on the list.

Also, Billboard has a couple of feature articles on y2k and the music
industry. Everyone on record is positive, but some unnamed sources are
somewhat negative. It will be interesting to see who's right.
Joe Lynch
Valley Media, Inc.
(530) 661-7810


From: (Christopher W Lindsay)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:57:25 -0400
Subject: RUSH does not owe us

*RUSH does not owe the average fan anything.  They owe themselves to put
out a good product that will succeed.  RUSH "should" do what the fans ask
for, but don't necessarily "have" to...
Let me explain.
You are correct, that we do buy their stuff, albums, tickets, and
memorabilia.  However, we "choose" to purchase their products.  They are
not a business that we have invested in and continue to invest in to make
money.  For example, if you are a loyal COKE drinker, and they want to
redesign their logo, should they go to their loyal consumers for advice? 
NO.  The principal investors have more say and COKE needs to listen to
them.  Record companies put a lot more money than the individual ever
could, and therefore are owed much more by RUSH.  That is, the record
company after putting hundreds of thousands of dollars in investments
(promo, concert, videos, advertising, etc.) should have RUSH's ear first
before the fans.  However, if coke changes their product (i.e. New Coke)
and the consumers revolt, then they learn something.
That's why what RUSH did was a smart thing for them to do.


Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:45:57 EDT
Subject: TS single?

>.[ Tom Sawyer has already been released as a single in 1998,
>from the "Small Soldiers" soundtrack. Of course it's the
>remixed version...     : rush-mgr ]

You mean there's a single available? Man I missed that,
I thought there was only the whole sndtrk. Is ther a CD single
or only cassette?

    [ Oops, I should clarify this. There is a SAMPLER cd for the "Small 
      Soldiers" soundtrack that has Tom Sawyer, plus two or three other 
      songs. As far as I know, TS was not released BY ITSELF, and the sampler
      is only on CD. SouthlandCD had a few of them, but I think they're out
      now...                                                    : rush-mgr ]


Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:12:39 EDT
Subject: Rush logo stickers !

Hey Rushians,
I got my hands on some really cool Rush logo stickers.
E me privatly if your interested in details.
>...---...  The Analog Kid


From: Guy Walker 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:29:34 -0500
Subject: Change To Eden(CTE)...the original _TE

            "The greatest band that nobody ever heard of.."

CTE,is a band that's been around since the early eightes. A perfect blend
of Rush,Zepplin,Doors,Crimson,and the Fixx...go figure. The better that ezra
guy's (before they were ezra) would come out and hear 'em play.Ezra formed 
and managed to do what CTE could never in the right place at
the right time.I'm not saying anything bad about Ezra,I think they play some
cool stuff.I just wish people knew that before there was BTE there was CTE.
 The new CTE web page is finaly's still being worked on but there
are some wav's if your interested in hearing the new sounds of Change.


From: Scott Aiken 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:28:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Rush owes us nothing.

That's right.


The music that they have given us over the years is our treat for 
sticking with them.

To repeat, the music is the reward.

We have no right to expect or demand a thing from any of them.

Do not let the fact that they responded to their fans' wishes go to your 

If I was is their shoes, I would feel a sense of gratitude to the fans, 
and I would WANT to give them more of what they want.  But I do not think 
I would feel OBLIGATED to give them more.

I would hope that my fan base (in this purely hypothetical situation) would 
not have this "gimme" attitude that we are all seeing right now anyway.

If they truly felt like they owed us something for our faithfulness (both 
emotional and financial), they would sell the cd set for next to nothing, 
and take a big loss for their fans' sake.  Somehow I don't think that 
will happen.

Do you realize how childish it is to say, "I've been buying your albums 
and going to your concerts for __ years; you OWE ME!"?  WHY have you been 
buying the albums for so long?  Because all along, the music has the reward 
for your diligence.

I urge you to practice some humility once in a while.  It's very healthy.

| Scott Aiken                                   |
|              |


Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 19:10:12 -0000
Subject: Rush-related tattoos

Hello fellow Rush freaks!

This may be a little outdated by now - I first read about this thread 
last week, and then my modem got fried in a storm. I have a new modem 
now, so here I go again...

I remember a few months back we tossed this thread around for a while. 
I've got a Rush-related tattoo on my left ankle. It's the design from the 
back of the Counterparts CD called subjective contours. Not only is it on 
the CD, I found it in a psychology book (I was a psych minor in college). 
It's kind-of hard to describe - simply put, it's the image that looks 
like Pac-Mans and Vs. When you look at the image, your mind closes the 
picture for you and you see an upside-down triangle (if you think I'm 
crazy, grab your CP jewel case and look at the picture - you'll 
understand!). It's a really cool tattoo to have because I haven't come 
across one single person who has the same one!

By the way, did you hear that President Clinton has changed the U.S.'s 
national bird? The spread eagle. Ha ha...

And out of curiosity, will any of you be at the Indianapolis/Deer Creek 
Aerosmith show on September 21??

Rush on, guys!


In the CD changer:

Eric Johnson - Ah Via Musicom
Stevie Ray Vaughan - Live at Carnegie Hall
Primus - Frizzle Fry
Rush - 2112
Creed - My Own Prison
Brian Setzer Orchestra - The Dirty Boogie


From: Rob Bronstein 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:23:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: yearbook quote

i graduated in 1990.  
my quote- "although it's just a memory, some memories last forever."

Rob Bronstein


From: Seth 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 21:16:57 -0400
Subject: NMS nice place to be/Can Carter B, etc. play Neils solos???

Heya all:

Just wanted to say, the LOSERS on the Alt.Music.Rush newsgroup all are
bitching because we, as fans, exercised our democratic right to voice,
and the rec. company listened. So if there are any a.m.r rush "fans" on
here that have a problem with this 1) You can tell the MAJORITY wanted
the change 2)You should grow up, get a job, or take your medication.

Anyways, just wanted to say there has been alot of positive feedback on
the NMS about this, which just proves most Rush fans are intelligent,
decscent poeple. Ok....enough slagging AMR...WAY too easy..heh.

Just wanted to add my thoughts on people who think that some of these
younger players, like Carter from DMB, that Neil FAR from shows off most
of his talent in Rush songs. My challenge to them would to see them
execute The Rythm Method (t4e tour) FLAWLESSLY. Don't forget, Buddy Rich
got better as he got older, and it's almost evident in Neil's case.

Anyways...till Nov.17 (errr..thats the date, right??...heh!:)



From: "Kurdian,  LT. Armen H" 
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:21:25 -0700
Subject: I'm not wearing any pants!

Sans my usual silliness, let me ask this.... Why include a live set from
1978 in the 3CD
set if they plan on releasing a box set?  It would make more sense to
include it in a box than a "new" live album.

It's been said before and I'll repeat it here...I too am very
disappointed w/the setlist,
missing "Where's my Thing," "Analog Kid," and anything from Presto, even
though Presto is my least favorite of the last four studio albums.


From: (z z z)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:50:47 -0500
Subject: favorite non-rush song, and some rambling

i do have many non-rush songs that i really like.  but two of my
favorites are "the unknown knows" and "paint it black" (glenn tipton's

"the unknown..." (nothingface) is done by (appropriately enough) Voivod
(canada!) and has such angry growling bass work by jean-yves theriault.
"paint it black" (baptizm of fire) is an excellent song, Glenn Tipton
returns turns so-so 'Stones song into a total powerhouse of music,

not to be overlooked, "metal heart" (live, Accept) and "baptizm of fire"
(Glenn Tipton) have jawdropping guitar solos and are just plain
remarkable.  if you're into Judas Priest at all, or just like some good
heavy stuff you NEED to get baptizm of fire, it blows so many other
former-axman/ frontman/ lead singer solo debuts out of the water!  no contest.
you won't be disappointed.  and as always, you can get all the above
albums from BMG, but i'm not sure that they still carry nothingface. 
mail me if you need #'s.

if any of you out there like rush or iron maiden (quite a long shot...) i
suggest you listen to something by Voivod if you can find it.  they are
excellent musicians, though they sound almost nothing like anyone else. 
but a lot of the lyrics to songs really make you think.  dimension
hatröss probably isn't your best bet for a "starter" album (provided you
can find it anywhere!).

"If at first you don't succeed, it's probably someone else's fault."


From: "Miller's" 
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:17:08 -0700
Subject: Different Stages listening party

I was thinking about the upcoming release and wondered if anyone had
made plans for a listening party at 12:01 on November 17. I have a buddy
who works at a local record & cd store who could possibly organize an
early  opening of the store. Then, Rush fans could get the discs earlier
than other folks and then maybe we could mingle and b.s. about Rush or
whatever. What about a bootleg trading session too? I live in the
Eugene, Oregon area. Any other fans near me? I will talk to my buddy and
get back to anyone who contacts me privately.


	"Try me, I rock"


From: (Ryan  N Waggoner)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:17:45 -0500
Subject: Just wondering...

When you're listening to "Jacob's Ladder", does anyone else think Geddy
sings "The clowns prepare for battle?"  ;)

"Someday we'll find it: the rainbow connection; the lovers, the dreamers,
and me."
     Kermit the Frog ("The Rainbow Connection")
Visit my page!!  <  >


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