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         The National Midnight Star, Number 2101


                  Thursday, 10 Sep 1998

Today's Topics:
                     New car and Rush
                        Producers
                      no sequencers
                    Rand and Freewill
                         (none)
                        THE FLY!!
              Bst live album & Hall Of Fame
              getting on the site (HELP!)...
                        Free will
                      Rush & Bowling
                      recent threads
                    Re: e-bay posting
                       WHOOPS!!!!!
                          Giants
                    harmonizing live.
                  Another Misheard Lyric
                       Nasty Places
                        Hey Cookie
                   A Rushian Experience
                Sorry Arnie - it's MEtheny
                 Rushing through the TNMS
  re: Hemispheres is related to The Fountain of Lamneth?
                    Rush in Nashville
                  Rush Sighting  Sort of
                     misheard lyrics
                       Rush venues
   correction - chagrin falls - technological musicians
                   Re: Pat Metheny???? 
        Alex on Tom Cochrane and Platinum Blonde..
               Geez! I missed some stuff...
                   New album & NMS 2112
                 ASOH was multiple shows
                        Sequencing
                Diamonds in the Waste boot
                       Ramblings..
                     Rutsey - I agree
                   Neil and Headphones
                      Re: Eve Plumb
                       live albums
                       "Hey Cookie"
                   IDEA//do with 2112?
                      Re: issue 2112
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From: The King of Norway 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 13:47:42 -0700
Subject: New car and Rush

Hanstones wrote:

>>This is the 100% truth, I swear!
>> 
>>Yesterday afternoon I picked up my new vehicle from the dealer.  After signing
>>the paperwork, he gives me the keys, I get in and fire up the willing engine,
>>and what should be on the radio but Tom Sawyer.  Now, what are the chances of
>>that, eh?
>
>Hey, I just got a new car and it seems to pick up RUSH tunes too!
>Pooh

I got a new car, too and I have heard everything from "A Passage to
Bangkok" to "New World Man" on the radio.  They must do some cool
programming in these new-fangled stereos to pick this stuff up!

Joel

http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~jrf1343

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From: galahad77@juno.com (Ryan  N Waggoner)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 12:49:35 -0500
Subject: Producers

It seems like a while ago there was a thread about possible producers for
the next studio album, if there is one.  (As I recall, the thread died
almost immediately after someone suggested Rick Rubin, and called him
something along the lines of the God of all producers.  :) )  (I've never
been a fan of Rubin's work...)

Anyway, I was thinking about this last night...Collins has sort of lost
his touch, I'm afraid...he did *excellent* work on CP, but T4E *does*
sound rather muddy by comparison...so, yes, maybe it's time to change
producers...

I was wondering about possibly for the first album of the new cycle, do a
co-producer thing, between Terry Brown (help recapture the old sound) and
Trent Reznor (help them maintain the edginess they have now, and maybe
help them regain some raw power in their sound).  The reason I want Terry
in their for the first one is just to make sure Trent doesn't try and
turn the new Rush album into halo fourteen for his Nine Inch Nails
catalog.  But I think after Trent has one album under his belt, he'd be
fine working on his own with the boys...

This really *was* an interesting thread...anyone else have any ideas?

Ryan/Stimpy

"Now the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw. . ."
           Neil Peart  ("The Trees")

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From: "Michael Z. Williamson" 
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 12:46:39 -0700
Subject: no sequencers

An orbital mind control laser caused JVCarbon@aol.com to say:

>Question for all you technological musicians out there.  (I'm a drummer, 
>so that really doesn't count! :) )  How does Geddy sequence background 
>vocals live?  
> If you listen to Mirrors version of Show Don't Tell, you know what I'm 
>talking about.  Mystic Rhythms is another good example.....Ged sings the 
>line "Capture my thoughts, carry them away" while a prerecorded vocal 
>harmonizes over the top, then in the last chorus, he sings the higher 
>harmony himself.

>I know Neil doesn't wear headphones (except during Red Sector A), so 
>they can't be played on a click track.  As far as I can tell, they are 
>triggered live, but seem to fall right in with the song's tempo/timing.

Probably triggerd by Neil's MIDI--that way, Ged jsut follows the drum
tempo.  And those would be "samples," not truly sequences. As I
understand it, they are no longer using sequencers.

I don't think he uses a harmonizer or any similar effect to accomplish
this,

I've heard that he is starting to use harmonizers. The catch is, if the
sung note is off, the harmonies will be, too.
 - 
mike
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Costumes, weapons and armor.  From the stone age to the space age. 
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"I am Homer of Borg, and I am here to assim---OOH!  Donuts!"--from one
of our T-shirts.

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From: "James E. Tolve" 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:04:13 -0400
Subject: Rand and Freewill

>Oh, and to all the Randites that will post saying "there are no
>contradictions, check your premises, one of them is wrong"...bah.  While
>factually that is true, emotionally it is not that simple.  While Ayn Rand
>may have "never had an emotion [she] couldn't explain," that's not most of
>us ..and that is Neil's point, IMO.

C'mon Dan,

Be fair.  (Boy, Ayn really gets a lot of unnecessary bashing in this list.)
I've read most of her work and she never said contradictions (in one's
thinking and emotions) were easy to deal with or solve.  God knows she had
her own emotional contradictions, and while she did explain them, some of
those explanations were simply wrong.  She wasn't perfect.  But her
philosophy, Objectivism, is certainly worthwhile to explore and adopt --
and to many on this list -- controversial.

If you're interested, her point about there being no contradictions in
nature applies to the metaphysical branch of Objectivism.

Jim T.

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From: "Brandon Erickson" 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 12:05:22 PDT

Someone wrote: "For those Pat Matheny Fans, is not Metheny, it's 
Matheny." 

Sorry to disagree, but I'm pretty sure its Metheny. I'm not a big fan of 
his [ only have one album-Still Life(Talking)], but all you have to do 
is do a search on "Metheny" and bunch of homepages dedicated to him come up.
To make this rush-related: Anybody who hasn't posted to the RNRHOF or 
signed the petition, do it now!   

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From: "Teebagy, Steve, BMG - Boston" 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 14:31:28 -0500
Subject: THE FLY!!

Hanstones,

Good call on the FLY comparison. I've never thought of where a fly would
fit in but now I see the light. That show fell on my birthday too,
December 7th!!! Wish I was there.... GO PATS!!

TEBO

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From: Scott Deitche STP 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 14:40:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Bst live album & Hall Of Fame

The best non-Rush live album:

FRANK SINATRA and the RED NORVO QUINTET - Live In Australia 1959

The single greatest vocal performance in the history of music!!!!!!!

Oh, and where does one go to sign the petition for Rush in the hall of fame?? 
I must have missed the site.

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From: "Daniel Ware" 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 14:00:37
Subject: getting on the site (HELP!)...

Hey gang..
Can someone help me please? I've been trying to access the NMS site to add
my name to the list for the RRHF, but my computer says it can't find the
server or something like that...Is it down? Could someone forward me the
addy, just in case I've got it marked down wrong.. Thanks!!
I dusted off Chronicles today, (still missing disc 1) , but listening to it
in my new headphones reminded me of why Rush is my all time favorite band...
Cheers from New Mexico..
Dan
Jesus is coming..Look busy

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From: "Chris Palo" 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 13:04:16 PDT
Subject: Free will

Dear fellow rushians,

Oh good a philosophy debate!  Will is one of those questions which 
baffles philosophers and theologians alike.  But is our will really 
free?  I say no and I will tell you why in a sec.
First, will itself (voluntas) is one of the trinity composing the mind 
(along with memoria and intellectum).  Man cannot function without will; 
it is sacrosanctitas.  Will is only free if governed by righteousness.  
Therefore we cannot choose to have free will, but have our will acted 
upon as to make it strong and free again to choose rightly.  Will itself 
is only a medium good, which means that it is required to live rightly, 
but so often it can be turned to bad use.  How often do we do the right 
thing?  HOw much more often do we do the wrong thing?  Also, there is no 
such thing as a coerced act.  If that were the case, will would become 
null and void because coercion strips us of our innate ability to 
choose. Yet, as I said before, how often do we choose rightly?  If you 
would like more details, I suggest you consult On free Choice of the 
Will by St. Augustine.  It's fairly short and answers a lot of 
questions.

Chris Palo-M.A. University of Missouri-Columb ia
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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From: Emily Ridyard 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 15:07:24 -0500
Subject: Rush & Bowling

I can attest to the Rush/bowling connection.  A couple of tours ago a
friend of mine had a friend who knew of a private party at a local
bowling alley after a Rush Concert.  She said she could only bring one
friend and invited me.  Unfortunately, my brother was with at the time
and he doesn't drive and it was last minute, so I couldn't go.  But my
bro and I always see Rush together so it was like, oh well.  My friend
said it was the band, roadies and family for the most part.

"All the World's a Lane"

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From: Jose Ramos 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:34:20 -0400 
Subject: recent threads

How about these live albums?  To my shock no one has mentioned them yet (I
think).

Kiss - Kiss Alive II  - I was seven when it came out.  "Ace Frehlley: Shock
me!"  "Calling Dr. Love!"  Kick ass!

Neil Young - Live Rust.  Absolutely phenominal!  I can listen to it over and
over.  Starts with five acoustic songs with only him on guitar, then plays
eleven or so more songs with crazy horse: "sugar mountain," "the needle and
the damage done," "cinammon girl," "my my hey hey," "cortez the killer,"
"when you dance I can really love," etc.

Misquoted Lyrics:  My sister STILL sings it this way:
"My uncle has a country place, that no one knows about.  He says is used to
be a farm, before the motor LODGE."
I crack up every time.

Peace
Max
"countless ways........you pass the days........."

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From: craig@pharmedica.com (Craig Brennan)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:45:29 -0400
Subject: Re: e-bay posting

Rocky Landsverk wrote:

>i was wandering around the on-line auction site e-bay and i found this up
>for auction. it was called "careful with that axe, alex" and is a live
>bootleg. here's what the seller said. what's wrong with this picture?"

Well for starters how 'bout:

>SOUNDS KILLER! IN MINT CONDITION AND STILL SEALED IN PLASTIC AND 
>UNOPENED!"

How does he know how it sounds if he never opened it?
Hmmmm...

Craig B

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From: "Arnaldo L. Vincenty" 
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 04:54:10 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Pat Metheny????
Subject: WHOOPS!!!!!

On the last TNMS, I said:

@@@@@
For those Pat Matheny Fans, is not Metheny, it's Matheny.  But I have
to agree, he and his group are the best jazz group right now.  I've
been listening to them since I got into college, in 1985. That Lyle
Mays is one good SOB on the keyboards.  If you have listened to
Travels, their first live album/CD, "Song for Bilbao" is one of their
bests.  I miss them when they were touring early this year.  They
stopped in Atlanta and Melbourne, FL.  But I still have the chance to
see them.

Til next time...Arnie Vincenty
@@@@@

I'm very sorry guys, you were correct.  I went to the PMG web site
(PMG = Pat Matheny Group), and it was written like y'all always did. 
Sorry about what I said.

Arnie Vincenty
Albany, GA (soon GTMO, Cuba)

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From: Jose Ramos 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:43:42 -0400 
Subject: Giants

Since we're touting football teams here now:
How 'bout my GIANTS!!!!!

rush mgr, I'd never call you a holy bitch, but on 9/27 NYG @ San Diego.  I
smell a wager.

   [ Ha ha, too bad I don't bet. :-)                            : rush-mgr ]

Max
"silence shrouds the forest....as Michael Strahan sacks Ryan Leaf"
        ^the necromancer                     ^improvisation

don't worry, i won't quit my day job.

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From: "Brandon Erickson" 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 13:47:15 PDT
Subject: harmonizing live.

>How does Geddy sequencebackground vocals live?  I'm specifically 
referring to parts where he harmonizeswith himself in perfect pitch and 
perfect time with the song<

Geddy may not be sequencing live. I know, at least nowadays, they have 
vocal effect processors that automatically harmonize vocals in what ever 
harmony you select (ie.-3rds, 4ths, 5ths, etc.) I suspect this is what 
he is doing. It would be much easier than sequencing them.

Brandon

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From: Peter McPhail 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 08:46:41 +1200
Subject: Another Misheard Lyric

Kia-Ora Rushians from New Zealand

The lyrics I still mis-hear and sing along to are 'A mass of new
Yoghurt' from 'The Camera Eye'. I've always heard it that way, even
reading the sleeve notes hasn't change what I hear.

There's not much chance of RUSH touring this part of the world, although
I'll settle for a part in the new Lord of the Rings movie being filmed
not far from my flat.

Be Seeing You!

Pete the Kiwi Haggis

nznznznznznznznznznznznznz
NZ - home of The Americas Cup
nznznznznznznznznznznznznz

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From: "Russell J. Thorpe" 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 17:03:31 -0400
Subject: Nasty Places

>ps:  hey!  is there really a chagrin falls, ohio?
>
>yup.  And a Knockemstiff, Ohio (really) and Big Bone Lick, Kentucky, and
>Beaver Crossing, Nebraska, and Middle Musquodoboit, Nova Scotia, and
>Mishawaka, Indiana, and Hell, Michigan, and Climax, Michigan, and Blue
>Ball, Pennsylvania, and Intercourse, Pennsylvania...

There is also a Knob Lick Kentucky, and also on I-75 in Michigan, Big
Beaver Road is exit 69

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Russell J. Thorpe
Systems Administrator
Toyo Seat USA Corp.
ph. (810)724-0300 ext.148
fax:(810)724-0684
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From: johncaulfeild@pmsc.com
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 98 15:55:37 -0500
Subject: Hey Cookie

     Christine wrote: "I hope this question isn't too obscure.  I have a 
     Rush bootleg, St.Louis 1981.  During "In The Mood" I swear he says 
     "Hey Cookie it's quarter to 8..."  and I believe on the album it is 
     "Hey Baby..."  Has anyone heard this?  Does anyone know why this is?  
     Am I just too wierd (sic) for even asking?"
     
     To Christine ==> I have frequently heard Geddy refer to his "baby" as 
     "cookie" when he performs "In The Mood".  You're not hearing things!  
     This is just an example of Geddy's sense of humour.
     
     Geddy frequently plays around with some of the lyrics, like throwing 
     some baseball references in "The Spirit of Baseball(Radio)", and in 
     "Tom Sawyer" he sometimes says "catch the baseball" in place of "catch 
     the spit".
     
     John

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From: johncaulfeild@pmsc.com
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 98 15:36:55 -0500
Subject: A Rushian Experience

     Okay... this was like an episode out of the Twilight Zone....
     
     I'm sitting here at my PC reading TNMS #2100 with my walkman tuned to 
     97.7 HITZ-FM (a rock station out of St. Catherine's, Ontario), when 
     the DJ comes on after some commercials and talks about the upcoming 
     Different Stages release (he said it was slated for Nov. 17), and as I 
     write this, I have the headphones on 10, with "Limelight" ringing in 
     my head....
     
     "the underlying theme" indeed!!!!
     
     John

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From: Richard Matusow 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 14:43:36 -0700
Subject: Sorry Arnie - it's MEtheny

I'm sure he believes he's correct for some reason, but I hate to see people 
misled.  In TNMS 2100, Arnie Vincenty states "For those Pat Matheny Fans, is 
not Metheny, it's Matheny."  Sorry Arnie - I doubt all the albums and websites 
have the spelling wrong.  Check out www.patmethenygroup.com.  Aside from 
the spelling issue, I'm surprised no Metheny fans have mentioned the group's 
latest album - Imaginary Day.  It's fantastic.  And believe it or not, they 
can really rock for a "jazz" group.  The Roots of Coincidence (track 7) is 
amazing!  A quote from Pat about it on the above website: "It unfolds over a 
couple of minutes into something that would sound appropriate on a modern 
thrash-metal album, for lack of a better term."  He's not lying!

Continuing on the other favorite groups idea - are there any Flecktones fans 
out there?  Don't let the fact that Bela Fleck plays banjo throw you.  It's 
not at all Beverly Hillbillies (although he sometimes plays it in solos).  The 
bass player for the Flecktones is Victor Lamonte Wooten.  A remarkable 
musician.  Last concert tour he actually played "The Flight of the Bumblebee" 
on his bass.  He also does some mean variations on Bach.  For you bass 
players (and fans) out there, Victor's album "A Show of Hands" is a must... 
(Hmm, Victor, ASOH, I think I made a Rush connection after all).

Sorry for the lack of Rush content,
Ric

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From: Cygnus 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 16:52:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Rushing through the TNMS

I started reading the TNMS #2100 at work today and during the course of
reading they have played  on the radio
Tom Sawyer (new funky version)
LimeLight
Subdivisions
New World Man

and it's not even a 2 for teusday or rockblock hour....  :)
                so this is what it's like in first class!
                                       Cyg

"come and join the brotherhood of RUSH!....."

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From: FlatYer5s@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:24:01 EDT
Subject: re: Hemispheres is related to The Fountain of Lamneth?

Matt Lupoli wrote:   
>Then I found Dionysus on the chart and Dionysus
>in Latin is Bacchus. As in "Bacchus Plateau" from The Fountain of
>Lamneth. Wow that's strange. Both songs must be connected in some way.
>Has anyone made this didscovery before I did?

Not being an expert in Greek mythology, I remember from my high school
Mythology class as well as from my teenage Dungeons and Dragons days that
Dionysus was the also the god of wine.  I've always thought that the lyric
"Draw another goblet from the cask of forty-three" alludes to someone who
wants to drink- HARD!  Dionysian wine even, if you will.    How about "Bacchus
Plateau" as the tavern our hero goes to to drown his broken heart after
leaving his love, Panacea...
Other than that, I never saw any real connection with Hemispheres- that's a
bit of a stretch.  
As far as REAL stretches go, ask me about the 2112/Al Capone/Chicago streets
connection sometime.  Pretty bizarre!  Maybe I'll even post it for you Chicago
NMSers.  I used to have WAY too much time on my hands...  

Dan Chernow
FlatYer5s@aol.com
Guitarist/Instructor/Berklee College of Music class of '94

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From: Pete 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 18:56:31 -0400
Subject: Rush in Nashville

>From: WILLIAM THOMAS VOWAN 
>Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:57:18 -0500 (CDT)
>Subject: Too Early to be asking of a tour?
>
>Is it more than likely that RUSH will do a new tour to promote the new
>upcoming album and if so, would Nashville, TN be a possible tour date?
>I hope that I am not asking this question too early. I think I am just
>excited.

Bryce, you just may be in luck!  I have a friend close to Rush and he says
they are close to putting the finishing touches on the next tour schedule.
It's funny you should ask because, according to him, Rush is strongly
considering opening the tour in Nashville.  Keep your fingers crossed.

   [ Before anyone gets *real* excited, the chances of them touring for a 
     LIVE album are next to nil. This is just another rumor...    : rush-mgr ]

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From: flo_2112@webtv.net (Christine Leite)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:00:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Rush Sighting  Sort of

I was at the library today, picking out a new book.  I couldn't make up
my mind.  I was checking out "Skinny legs and all" by Tom Robbins.
Inside, I was looking at the quotes about the book.  Then I saw:
"Writing that is funny, sexy, imaginative and playful, yet has an
underlying texture both beautiful and profound."-Neil Peart,lyricist,
Rush.  Needless to say, that is the book I got.  I haven't read it yet,
so I don't have a review.  

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From: Steven Trautman 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 17:58:57 -0500
Subject: misheard lyrics

For years, I always thought this was a weird lyric in Subdivisions.  I
spent much useless time trying to understand its meaning. Even though I
thought I heard it right and it did make *some* sense, it never did feel
*quite* right:

"in between the bright lights
and the Bar unlit, unknown"

This screwed the meaning all up, because I couldn't equate the bright
lights to downtown or the inner city.  I instead equated the *burbs* to
the bright lights and the "Bar unlit unknown" to the seediest, darkest
part of the inner city.  Almost completely bass ackwards.  The idea of
being perched in the middle of the two extremes of the inner city and
the country thus was only half there and I could never put my finger on
it.

Obviously, this scarred me for life. :-| 

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From: Pete 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 19:28:03 -0400
Subject: Rush venues

>From: Jason Grabowski 
>Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 22:21:45 -0400
>Subject: Live Album Venues
>
>I could have missed it but here is a question for anobody out there.  
>Does anybody know where the new live album tracks were captured? If 
>anybody knows let everyone know.  Just figured I'd throw some different 
>material out there.

Jason, in answer to your question, all of the songs on the forthcoming live
album were overdubbed in a studio in Toronto.

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From: Scott McDow 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 20:01:24 -0400
Subject: correction - chagrin falls - technological musicians

Hey!

"Arnaldo L. Vincenty" corrects and then...
>For those Pat Matheny Fans, is not Metheny,
>it's Matheny.

uh - ok

>"Song for Bilbao" is one of their bests.

I think you meant "is one of their best."

stephen asked:
>Is there really a Chagrin Falls, Ohio

yes.

"chagrin falls upon our heads..." great tune

and...

jeff inquired:

>How does Geddy sequence background vocals
>live?  I'm specifically referring to parts where he
>harmonizes with himself in perfect pitch and
>perfect time with the song.  I know the boys all
>have triggers linked to pedals, keyboards and
>percussion pads, but I don't understand how
>Ged can sing a lead vocal while a prerecorded
>vocal sings right along with him at the same time!

I'm no musician, technological or otherwise so maybe
I'm missing something, but why would it be any
different triggering a backing vocal than any other
prerecorded sound? Ged can sing along with either
just as easy...?

>As far as I can tell, they are triggered live, but seem to
>fall right in with the song's tempo/timing.

you mean, just like a keyboard trigger "falls" in with the
tempo? It's all in the timing right?

later,
scoots

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From: Slim Jim 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:54:23 +0900
Subject: Re: Pat Metheny???? 

"Arnaldo L. Vincenty" writes:
> For those Pat Matheny Fans, is not Metheny, it's Matheny.

Sorry - we were talking about Pat Metheny, the jazz guitar 
player.  No idea who Pat Matheny is.  Does he play guitar 
too?

Slim

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From: James MacLachlan 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 20:57:33 -0400
Subject: Alex on Tom Cochrane and Platinum Blonde..

Heya folks:

If you guys are interested, and please let me know on the list, I will
make MP3's of Alex playing on 2 songs on the latest Tom Cochrane album,
and two songs he played on the 1995(I think that was the year??)
Canadian band (now defunct) Platinum Blonde.(He does an AWESOME solo on
a song called "Hungry Eyes"...sounds a bit like the building to the solo
in Marathon.) Again..if you guys are interested...let me know on the
list, or email me.
Ohhh..I also have Alex on the Larry Gowan album, and did ya guys know,
he is also in the VIDEO for one of the songs.???.("Called "Lost
Brotherhood"). I may put those up for MP3's too.  In fact...I may have
the video laying around. Can't guarantee that though..heh.

See you guys Nov 10!!

Peace

James

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From: The Fantabulous George Reimers 
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 18:23:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Geez! I missed some stuff...

I forgot some stuff in my last post, so...
1. My friend who I got into Rush wants to buy an album, and he wants
my recommendation. I let him borrow Chronicles, TFE, CP, and Presto.
He LOVES Show Don't Tell, and he really likes TSOR, TS, Villa, and
Driven. What do you recommend?
2. Misheard Rush lyrics:
Red Barchetta: "A brilliant Red Barchetta from a Veg-a-matic time..."
Force Ten: "Tough times demand tough talk, demand tough farts, demand
tough songs, demand..."

George

===
"Your car's uglier than I am!" -American Graffiti
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From: SWEDGE@webtv.net (SCOTT WEDGE)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:33:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: New album & NMS 2112

Christopher Lindsay wrote in a few issues back and asked if we could
coincide the new album release date with NMS issue 2112. I know we've
only got a little over 10 issues left until 2112 and almost 2 months
until the new album is released but, rush-mgr, could we hold up that
issue and make this happen?? I kinda like that idea.

Scott Wedge - swedge@webtv.net
Auburn Football 1998:
STP - "Something To Prove"
WAR EAGLE!!!!!!

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From: Hanstones@aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:57:04 EDT
Subject: ASOH was multiple shows

Guitarrush asked "Is the rumored live video going to be a straight-on
recording of a performance (like show of hands) or is it going to be a
collection of all four Atlantic record tours?"

Not sure if this is what you meant, but A Show Of Hands was not a recording of
a single performance.  It was actually filmed over 3 nights.

Hanstones
http://www.2112.net/powerwindows

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From: seanj@execpc.com (Sean Jones)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:57:07 -0600
Subject: Sequencing

>I know Neil doesn't wear headphones (except during Red Sector A), so they
>can't be played on a click track.

Neil wears headphones much more often than that. And the click is the only
thing ever on the click track :)

Ok, enough of me being a smartass. Answer to your question(s)

How does Geddy do this live? He hires someone to do it for him! :)

Ok, ok, ok, really now...

First he takes the master tape of the album and samples the parts he needs.
He then sets them up as seperate events on a sequencer. What that means is
he has, say "Capture my thoughts, carry them away", which is about 4
seconds of vocals, set up in the sequencer as Event 1 (sometimes the
labelling is different, but essentially he has that be the first thing
sequenced). The sequencer is then programmed to play that event and then
stop, then set itself to play Event 2, which would be the next backing
vocal part Geddy needs. the other option is they set different events on
different notes, so Geddy triggers them from the MIDI pedals. So, to sum
up, Geddy records the parts to a sequencer, then sets them up to play in
order when he triggers them, or sets them up to play from different notes.

It's exactly like triggering a sequenced keyboard part, except it triggers
only one note: Event 1. They have a note, say, middle C, programmed to play
whatever sound they sample, so they sample a sound that takes 4 seconds.
You hit middle C, and the it plays: "Capture my thoughts, carry them away"

How do they pull this off live?

1) Neil IS wearing headphones or has a little flashing light or SOMETHING
that gives him the tempo off the album, which is where the backing vocals
are from.

2) Geddy stomps on the sequencer trigger (a switch that starts the
sequence) EXACTLY in tempo, then sings along with himself.

3) They practice this for weeks. No kidding.

Ged has never used a harmonizer for that kind of backing vocal. Rush has
used harmonizers to thicken voices to reduce overdubs (Dreamline "When we
are young"), but not live to add a third or anything like that.

Rush's roadcrew actually invented the midiswitch that triggers when the
switch is pressed down. Before that (this is circa 1980 or around then),
switches were activated when they were pressed AND RELEASED, so it was
nearly impossible to synch the stuff as accurately as Geddy needed to live,
so they rewired his switch for him.

I hope this answers your question, Jeff. If you still have questions, or I
just confused you, e-mail me privately and I'll try and answer your
questions better.

Sean

RushTab Bass Maintainer
Check out our site at http://cartoon.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/rush-tab/

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From: seanj@execpc.com (Sean Jones)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 21:58:26 -0600
Subject: Diamonds in the Waste boot

Anyone ever hear this one? It's from "Wilwaukee" (Milwaukee) on 3-24-86.
Just curious about the quality.

    [ Quality is kind of, well, shitty...                       : rush-mgr ]

Sean

RushTab Bass Maintainer
Check out our site at http://cartoon.ecn.purdue.edu/~branden/rush-tab/

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From: "Derek Walker" 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:56:25 -0700
Subject: Ramblings..

> [ As I live in San Diego, it's kind of mandatory that I like the Chargers.
>   Regardless of how much they'll suck this year. ;-)           : rush-mgr ]

At least that is better than being a Ram fan and living in San Diego. 
People have been trying to recruit me for a year to be a Charger fan.

Anyways, overall, I am pleased with the live album setlist.  Though, I have
never been a fan of 'Animate' I definitely cant wait for it to show up on
the radio for sake of listening to what the DJ's have to say about it. 
This will weed out how many DJ's are ignorant to Rush.

I finally was able to watch the Pop-up "Limelight" video.  i do have have
to say I was real disappointed in real Rush content.  It was like they
didn't even try and did for any info.  They probably just took content from
the bantering we call "Rolling Stone" and went with that.  It seemed to be
that superficial.  0h well, what can we expect.  Ive decided not to be too
bitter about it.

Well that's about it.  Yes, its all about the rambling.  Long live the
Three Dieties.

Derek Walker
(geddy@san.rr.com) 

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From: sberrett 
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 22:10:12 -0400
Subject: Rutsey - I agree

> I have never understood the tendency among NMS contributors 
> to attack John Rutsey.  It's almost as if people think that 
> slagging off his predecessor is a clever way to worship Neil 
> Peart.  

I agree - what's with the instant SNEER everyone seems to have with
Rutsey? I think the drums on RUSH are pretty admirable actually, lots of
energy (can't speak for the talent though - I don't play).

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From: rushfan.2112@juno.com (Christopher W Lindsay)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 01:47:11 -0400
Subject: Neil and Headphones

Why does Neil wear headphones during "Red Sector A?"  Is it because the
bass istoo loud?  Did he wear the  headphones during other songs from
past tours?

   [ Isn't this in the FAQ? He's listening to a click-track.    : rush-mgr ]

To Rush Mgr,
I'm a die hard Lions fan, what is the Chargers view of ole Bobby Ross?  I
know he quarrelled with Beathard a lot, but did he leave being despised,
or what?  Is he missed?  I hope Leaf does well.  I look at him as being
the next Elway.

    [ Oh, you DON'T want to go there... pretty much everyone's pissed he
      left (pissed at the Chargers' management for letting him go).
                                                         : rush-mgr ]

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From: RushF1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 03:50:27 EDT
Subject: Re: Eve Plumb

<<<...This is Eve Plumb, and I'm here to say that it was a vicious 
rumor suggesting that I hate the set list for Dimlit Stages....

Eve Plumb
Rush Fan>>>

LOL!!!!! I gotta tell you, after I read that, I kept hearing the two most
famous Brady Bunch soundbytes in my head:
"Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!!!"
And, of course, the greatest of all:
"Oh, my nose!"

Anyhooooo....after all the fighting and name-calling over the past few months,
we're in the home stretch. All I care about is that we have a few weeks left
until we have DS in our collective greedy paws-----and then we can get back to
fighting about "...oh, I hated *that* version. It sucks worse than the one on
ASOH. They should have used one from one of the three hundred or so shows I
have on boots...."
Ah, perspective.

That's it for now. And in the words of the sports-smack guru extraordinaire,
Jim Rome, "I'm OUT!"

Jerry

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From: Lance2112@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 04:41:08 EDT
Subject: live albums

>On my best live albums thread, I of course meant that Yessongs was 
>superior to Yesshows, and not the other way around as stated.

You're absolutely right Paul, Yessongs is superior to Yesshows...although they
BOTH kick some serious butt. I must admit I really dig this thread idea, cause
I really enjoy live albums and usually have at least one from every artist I
even moderately like. Not to mention, I love to rank things...
It is very hard to narrow the list down like you have (excellent job, BTW),
but after much ado, here is mine for your amusement. To be fair (and keep at
least a small slice of my sanity) I did not include bootlegs.

1. Thin Lizzy- Live and Dangerous.
Everything Paul said and more. "Still in Love With You" never fails to send
chills down my spine and is my fave live song bar none. The rest of the album
is just as good.
2. Cheap Trick- Live at Budokan 
I recently bought The Complete Concert edition, which includes a great
remastered version of the full concert, including missing jewels from the
previous package. Not to mention two PC videos of "Auf Wiedersehen" and
"Surrender".
3. Led Zeppelin-Song Remains the Same
This was my first CD....I will never forget all the pilgrimages to see the
movie at various midnight screenings. This was the next best thing to seeing
them live, which I never had the privilege. Although, the Plant/Page show is
in 3 weeks here... 
4. RUSH-All the Worlds a Stage
Yes Paul, there IS room for a RUSH live album here. Their first is the obvious
choice because of its raw energy and power unabaited by the future overdubs
that spoil subsequent live efforts. Plus it has "2112" in its entirety,
something we only saw here until now. I CANT WAIT!!!
5. Genesis-Seconds Out
This has made everyone elses posts on this subject for a reason...it's
AWESOME! Phil and Co. proved that they could survive without Peter Gabriel and
even improv quite well on their own. Not that Gabriel wasn't a genius on his
own...his "Plays Live" is another excellent live album, but doesn't make my
list.
6. Peter Frampton-Frampton Comes Alive 
Just like every other teenager living in the suburbs, I had this album and
wore out two copies of it before finally getting it on CD years later. Every
time I hear "Do You Feel," I have to restrain myself from going into an air
guitar frenzy. 
7. Robin Trower-Live
The live version of "Daydream" from this 1975 concert is also one of my all-
time fave songs, and the rest of this somewhat short live release (7 songs, 41
min) is good as well. What keeps it from challenging Thin Lizzy for the top
spot is its lack of "Bridge of Sighs" and "Long Misty Days." 
8. Jethro Tull-Bursting Out
Another two album set that I wore out...the CD version omits three cuts,
including "Sweet Dream"...you bastards! 
9. Yes-Yessongs
The one thing I'll always remember about this one is the cover for the
3-record set with Roger Deans mind blowing artwork. Fantastic songs like "And
You And I,"
"Close to the Edge" and "Heart of the Sunrise" dont hurt either...
10. Ted Nugent-Double Live Gonzo
Everybody's gonzo..including the Motor City Madman. The guitarwork on "Great
White Buffalo" and "Hibernation" is worth the price of admission. Here's one
for those of you who like to listen closely for hidden stuff, faux pas, etc:
at the end of "Baby Please Don't Go," Ted is saying thank you to San Antonio.
In the background, you can hear someone informing Mr. Nugent that he is NOT in
fact in San Antonio (actually Abilene, as verified by the liner notes) Ted
immediately responds "Thank you"....VERY FUNNY!

I would HIGHLY recommend that everyone run, not walk to buy all these
immediately if not in your collection...all very worthy!

Humbly submitted,
Lance

"Simpson, if you don't show up for work today, don't bother coming in on
Monday" - Mr. Burns
"WOO HOO! Four day weekend!" Homer

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From: LMLGHT@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 05:00:21 EDT
Subject: "Hey Cookie"

"Hey cookie it's a quarter to eight and I feel I'm in the mood."  I didn't
really check out the name who put the post in regards to this lyric, yet I
agree.  Just thought I'd let you know.

O.K. - Hanstones, excellent!  I'm sure everyone else is writing the same
thing, yet I just thought I'd let you know idividually.  Well here's what I
got to say about the new information.  I've somewhat been in the dark and not
reading my nms' lately, so if this is old news - so be it.

I can't understand why the new live albumn isn't sort of like the old ones
were.  I'm wondering why the previous ATWAS, ESL, & SOH all have ONLY there
four previous albums on them, yet when it comes to Presto, RTB, Counterparts,
and T4E, we can't have just songs from those albulms.  I understand that the
previous albumns have sold a few more copies, but I got into rush with the
past four albumns.  Call me a late bloomer, or what have you, but I feel the
last four albumns have plenty of excellent stuff on them.  I suppose the whole
ordeal of putting a three disk albumn toghether was to ease the pain that the
late bloomers like myself will feel and to make the fans which weren't fond of
the last 4 happy.  

Don't get me wrong, I love every Rush albumn like I love my parents, but I
just want to hear live songs that I never thought I would.  I suppose
"Everyday Glory" would have been nice, "Presto" would be cool and who could
forget "The Pass."
I'd like to hear "The Color of Right" live before I die and I know everyone
wants a nice produced copy of "Ghost of a Chance" at their fingertips.  There
are more folks, yet you most likely either hate my guts by now, or agree, but
if you do agree, who am I?                                                    

Hey everyone, I'm gonna' go now and I'm gonna let you know that I will pay the
$40 or $50 dollars, or more that rush asks for this triple CD set, but I'll
have you know, I'll be wanting more.  
                                                                              
Hey, who dosen't want more!   
                                                                              
Galen

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From: SN2112@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 09:06:23 EDT
Subject: IDEA//do with 2112?

I think we should leave it blank, and open like someone else suggested. 
Maybe we could get Ged,Alex or Neil to write something back
to the rush list ? And let them use the issue 2112 as their domain ?
I think that would be great.
My $.o2
http://members.aol.com/SN2112/rushpage.html
http://members.aol.com/SN2112/index.html
Mail To: sn2112@aol.com or Test4echo@aol.com

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From: Rob Savoury 
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:09:26 -0230 (NDT)
Subject: Re: issue 2112

I belive that issue 2112 of the TNMS should be an out and out tribute to
the band we all know and love.I think it would be great if everyone wrote
about the positive influence that RUSH has had on our lives.One issue with
no flames,no bitching,and no complaining.I think it would be fantastic if
all members stood in unity to celebrate the reason we all subscribe :the
music!
   
      see them bow thier heads to god,as we would bow when they roll by
                                                          DR. BRAINO

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