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         The National Midnight Star, Number 2108

                 Wednesday, 23 Sep 1998

Today's Topics:
                        Victor II
     Re: 09/18/98 - The National Midnight Star #2106
             unbelievable rush radio sighting
                       Cross Stitch
                      EMU/Geddy Lee
                 Who Assumed Control Poll
              a recommendation - Mike Peters
                     SPIN AOL mention
                        Tribute CD
                    Re: Jazz and Rock
                    Last Rush 8-Track
            Re:Will we ever hear rush in DTS?
                         8 Tracks
"Hey this is Red Rocks!"  & A Mile High Salute....Best I Can
             Rush not nominated for RRHF(?!?)
                       New Producer
                 Zep, Victor, and Ripken
                  re: Top 5 intro bands
                   That Cheesy Question
                      Sound Quality
                  Victor II confirmation
     Spirit Of Radio as first single from Diff Stages
                Sarah McLachlan on Vic. II
              Idea to do issue 2112...again!
                      Massive Attack
                      Rush sighting?
               Re: NMS post  -- NOT A FLAME
                    Epic length songs
            zebra and issue 2112/Frozen Ghost
                       8 tracks...
                     intelligent rock
                       B-5 and Rush
                Hall of Fame nominations..
                 Re: Sound Quality OOPS!

Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 10:23:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Victor II

Glad to see the news about another Victor project. Some of the best CD's, or 
most interesting I've bought in the last couple of years have been solo or 
project CD's.

Starting with Victor and all the way to a couple of Ty Tablor solo and 
project CD's, I am really starting to like side projects. They are more of 
an uncompromised approach to making music, as they should be. Victor really 
showcased Alex's playing and his strength as a song writer. The follow up 
can only be better.

For you Dream THeatre fans, Myung and the keybord guy (Name?) hooked up with 
drummer Rod Morganstein (Dixie Dreggs/Winger) and Ty Tabor of Kings-X 
(Guitar). The CD is called Platypus, "When Pus Comes To Shove". Strange 
cooky name, but great disk.  You can get it at :  Do a 
search on group name.

A mix of Dream Theatre progressive, with straight ahead rock and some Kings-X 
Beatleesque harmonies!

Ty stretched himself and really proves to be a well versed guitarist. All in 
all these project, side CD's are a great way for the artists to take  a 
break from the regular routine and learn or do something new. Many interviews 
show that the artists involved felt a sense of renewal and enthusiasm 
towards making music. Hopefully we will see another Victor CD soon!

One more shameless plug. Get Doug Pinnicks solo, Poundhound! 

                      Steve Lucier -


From: Jesse N Zamudio 
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:05:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: 09/18/98 - The National Midnight Star #2106

I heard on the radio in a recent interview with Geddy Lee 9-17-98 that
they have absolutely no plans for a new album, and the other information
didn't sound so good for the future. Geddy sounded like TFE might possibly
have been the last. That was the impression I got from him.
Hopefully Im wrong.
 jessez "if its not rush its crap!!"


From: Mike Jones 
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:55:34 -0700
Subject: unbelievable rush radio sighting

I can't believe it, but Rock 105.3 here in San Diego is playing Entre
Nous as I write this.  It's 12:55 PST on Monday 9/21--incredible!
Anybody else (Rush Mgr?) lucky enough to catch this?  This is a landmark
event!  There is usually a handful of Rush songs they play (Tom Sawyer,
Spirit of Radio, Freewill, CTTH, etc).  I have never heard this one on
the radio before...
mike jones

   [ Nope, I never hear the radio until I head home after work... I do believe
     I've heard them playing "Entre Nous" before though         : rush-mgr ]


Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 17:04:22 EDT
Subject: Cross Stitch

Scott Finkel: ditto on your last four albums analysis.  I also was quite
depressed upon first hearing Presto, and like you I now like it.  Roll the
Bones was better, but Counterparts quite simply restored my faith.  

Hey Rush-mgr, my wife is very interested in the cross stitch program you
downloaded.  Can you tell us where?  Apparently cross stitch/craft stores
change "Big Money" to do custom patterns from photos.

   [ Oh yes, yes they do. Maybe I should start up a line of Rush x-stitch
     designs? :-)   The program is called PatternMaker, put out by HobbyWare.
     You can get their demo program (good for 10 uses) from
     (works on Win3.1/95/NT only)                              : rush-mgr ]

Hanstones <----- GO THERE!!!


From: (Christopher W Lindsay)
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:38:16 -0400
Subject: EMU/Geddy Lee

Last Friday, I saw someone with the same RUSH shirt I was wearing
at Eastern Michigan University.  I said, "nice shirt."  Are you on this
news-letter?  If so, drop a private e-mail!

Another Rush sighting; I was working at the book store on the same day
and a guy came up,  noticed my shirt and said he used to DJ at a rock station
in Minnesota, and met Ged in early 80's.  He said that he was a chain smoker. 
I know Neil was, but I never read or saw pictures about Ged being a chain
smoker, or even a smoker at that.  Does anyone know this?


From: "Cristóbal Andrés Marcoleta Friedl" 
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:37:08 PDT
Subject: Who Assumed Control Poll

HI everyone

My idea for this post is to know who do you think in 2112 assumed 
control in that Final Battle, was it the Priests or The Elder Race?
Send your Votes and i will post the final results in the 2112 post. If 
the rush-mgr could help me on this, i'll be thanked.




From: sberrett 
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 22:27:57 -0400
Subject: a recommendation - Mike Peters

need something to tide you over until Nov. 10th?

on Oct. 13th the Mike Peters album "Rise" will be released in the US.
Mike is best known for fronting The Alarm in the late 80s.  Since then
he has had a very respectable, but underpromoted, solo career.

"Rise" is the best album I have bought in the last 18 months, hands down
(I bought the UK import).  The US version will have 3 bonus tacks! This
is a solid disc with fantastic music. Guest appearing on several tracks
is the blistering Billy Duffy formerly of The Cult. He and Mike have
paired up to form ColourSound and expect to release an album sometime in
the near future.

Until then, I cannot recommend this CD enough to my fellow rush fans.
You will not be disappointed.



Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 13:24:29 EDT
Subject: SPIN AOL mention

Hi all:
Found this on AOL's SPIN Online, and figured it was worth a mention. Besides,
it's funny to read the back-handed references to Geddy and Neil, and the "...a
group calling themselves..." reference makes us all sound like a bunch of
That's right. We will get them in the Hall, or there will be great music
forced upon the heathens of radio....

:::rattle those sabers::::




Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:27:19 EDT
Subject: Tribute CD

I finally found a copy of the RUSH tribute "Working Man".
Overall its pretty good, but some of it sounds like these
guys never got out of the 80's, especially the vocals. I
guess their vocal styles work in their own bands but when
you sing RUSH with that 80's metal sound it just sounds very
cliche. Analog Kid is good except you can't realy hear the bass
in some places. Steve Morse kicked ass on LaVilla and Red Barchetta.
I love his style, especially his solos. Natural Science is also
good but the vocal are a bit extreme. The first time I heard Devin
Townsend sing was on Steve Vai's Sex & Religion CD. I think he's
a good singer but he just needs to stop screaming and growling.
I am puzzled by the absence of John Myung & Kevin Moore of Dream Theature,
especially since the rest of the band was involved. (I know Kevin has
left the band but I think he was still in the band when this tribute
was made.)

There are a couple of things that I thought were funny: 1. why didn't
they use a classical guitar on The Trees? It just doesn't sound
right without it. 2. Why couldn't they find a triangle for YYZ?

The mixing seemed strange in some places especially when you
realize that Terry Brown mixed the CD. Some parts come in too
abruptly or too loud. Maybe this is how Terry wanted to mix the
original versions of these songs.

It's great to see some of the musicans that RUSH has touched and
possibly inspired to become musicans in the first place. That's how
it was with me.

While this is an overall good tribute, it makes you appreciate
Alex, Geddy, & Neil even more.

See ya,

Check out my website at
There's very little RUSH content there though, just a couple quotes
and a link to the NMS page.


Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:03:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Jazz and Rock

Slim Jim  wrote:
>>>>>>  SCOTT FABIRKIEWICZ writes:
>>       I love Rush.  Their musicianship is second to none. Neil is the best
>> lyricist in rock, bar none.  It is the "whole is better than the sum of
>> the parts".  But after Rush, I love jazz!  I just have a built in
>> mechanism that puts myself down before anybody else does.  The insults
>> hurt less that way.
>Don't let them hurt at all!  Ignore them.  Music is about taste, 
>and people who put down Jazz (or any other form of music) just
>because they personally don't like it are just ignorant.

I agree 100% with this, but I'm curious as to how you can say the
above.... and this:

 ------- Taken from the National Midnight Star #2083 (08/06/98)
>In five years, DT will be just an unpleasant memory.  In 
>ten years they will be forgotten.



From: (Sean Jones)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:21:12 -0600
Subject: Last Rush 8-Track

Steven Wright wrote:

>4)  (I never got this one answered and I know it's a "cheesy" question,
>but it's just to satisfy my own morbid curiosity) What was the last Rush
>album on 8-Track tape, if they ever stooped that low?  My girlfriend
>says they probably went from vinyl directly to cassette.

The latest album I've seen on 8-track was Moving pictures. It's possible,
though by that date unlikely, that ESL was also 8-track-ed. GUP definitly
not. So the latest confirmed sighting was MP.

Sean J.

RushTab Bass Maintainer
Check out our site at


From: Doug 
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:36:49 -0400
Subject: Re:Will we ever hear rush in DTS?

1)I'd bet serious money that when Rush release their upcoming live video
on DVD it will no doubtedly be recorded in Dolby Digital (AC-3) not that
half assed DTS. I say half assed cause they've been bragging about DTS
for a couple of years now and theres still nothing commercially
available. Dolby Digital has been the standard 5.1 surround system for
laserdiscs for a few years now and they are also the standard for 5.1
surround on DVD. Where is DTS??? Who will really switch over to DTS when
DD already has a major stronghold on the market.
2)I just picked up a cd from Victor Wooten who is a phenominal bassist.
The title of this disc is "A Show Of Hands".
3)Unless I read it wrong, (or you meant prior to any release) someone
mentioned Zebra being the best "non-proffesional" band they've seen.
They have 4 CD's out and Randy has a couple solo cd's many
releases do you need to be considered "pro"?
Visit my web page at:


From: Stacey Glaesmann 
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:39:12 +0100
Subject: 8 Tracks

Derek Tetlow asked:

>4)  (I never got this one answered and I know it's a "cheesy" question,
>but it's just to satisfy my own morbid curiosity) What was the last Rush
>album on 8-Track tape, if they ever stooped that low?  My girlfriend
>says they probably went from vinyl directly to cassette.

Well, I actually owned my first copy of "Hemispheres" on 8-track. Wish I
still had it if not for anything than a chuckle.

Stacey G.


From: "Chaz Mattson" 
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 14:47:51 PDT
Subject: "Hey this is Red Rocks!"  & A Mile High Salute....Best I Can

"Yeeahhhh -OOOOOooooooohhhhhh YEEEEAAAAHHHH!!!!"

"OOOOOOOOOOO  Sit down !!!!"

OK now that I have your attention....

I'd like to attempt to best address the Rush @ Red Rocks(NOT) issue...

***(For those NMSers in CO)  Has Rush ever played at Red Rocks?  If
***not, why not?  It's such a great venue and an excellent place to 
***see ashow.

***[ Nope. Have no reason why though, could be a number of things
***(size, location, time of year, $$ the venue costs to play...)
*** rush-mgr ]

Traditionally when RUSH had been in Denver it was usually in the fall to 
winter months (That being the pre-Presto era(s) see Fiddlers 
Green is relatively a new venue, only about 10-12 years old...and it was 
designed to lighten the impact on Red Rocks as well as have greater 
seating capacity, which it does.  Red Rocks holds about 9,000 people, 
where Fiddlers holds roughly 17,000....what's more is, just due to the 
intensity of RUSH's tour schedule, they would usually be in Denver 
"every OTHER tour", so we missed some gems like GUP, HYF, and 
Counterparts.....I think we missed CP because they actually played out 
here on Presto & RTB....but we loved every high voltage minute of was awesome....but they have played outside at Fiddlers ever 
since Presto....

Currently Having a RUSH MOMENT!:::  93.5 The Fox in Denver is currently 
going through the "Classic Rock Catalog 'A to Z'" and as
I write this...guess which song hits the airwaves....hint we are on 
'W'....that's right Workin' Man....I guess that's what I am...

Peace RUSH'ians....


PS:  A special Mile High Salute to all those Raider fans...especially 
the loosers I saw behind the Broncos bench on Sunday....Salute!!!


From: "Frank Sereno" 
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 17:34:38 -0500
Subject: Rush not nominated for RRHF(?!?)

Although not "the official announcement," here's the latest I've

CLEVELAND (Reuters) - Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney and
Billy Joel rank among the recording stars nominated for induction
into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for 1999, the Cleveland Plain
Dealer reported Tuesday.

The paper said other nominees included heavy-metal pioneers
Black Sabbath; doo-wop groups the Flamingos and the Moon-
glows; the gospel group the Staples Singers; pop singers Darlene
Love, Gene Pitney and Dusty Springfield; soul singers Solomon
Burke and Curtis Mayfield; early rockers Del Shannon and Ritchie
Valens and jazz-rock alchemists Steely Dan.

The inductees and venue for the induction will be announced in
November, the foundation said.
The full story can be found at:


From: Mike <>
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 15:35:52 -0700
Subject: New Producer

I have been just sitting back just reading the NMS and the next producer
question got me thinking about who would be capable of producing a Rush
album. One artist I have always liked and the production on his albums
is great and he is Kim Mitchell, formerly of Max Webster. He produces
his own stuff. Give his stuff a whirl and you'll hear why. I also like
the idea of Trevor Rabin. He did an excellent job of Yes's Talk album.
That's it for now, until next time....Thank you very much and see you
soon and good night.



From: Kurt Smith 
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:54:45 -0700
Subject: Zep, Victor, and Ripken

Hello all-

I was a Zeppelin fan once-at around age 7. I thought they were the greatest 
back then.   But alas, Philthy Radio discovered them, and now I never need to 
listen to them again.   They have a few good songs, Page is a decent 
songwriter, and Bonham was a unique drummer for his day. But like Pink Floyd, 
I don't need to hear them anymore.

And Page & Plant's recent output really blows.

Regarding Victor, I think it's much better than many people in this forum 
give it credit for being. There are some really strong songs on this CD, 
like the title cut, Start Today, and At The End. I didn't really appreciate 
Alex's dark side until this album came out and I'm looking forward to Victor 
II. Eddie Vedder on it would kind of look like a PR move, but it would 
definitely be cool.

Is anybody out there as upset as I am that Ripken sat down? Hear me out on 
this-an entertainer who always gives his best, has had a brilliant career, 
has kept his output consistent through many years, keeps his family together 
despite all the things that could break it apart, and has an undisputedly 
high level of integrity. But mostly what you hear about him is that he's old, 
tired, and should just give it up. Sound familiar?

Have fun everybody. Oh-Rush-mgr, does Rush still own their Mercury stuff? I 
must know...

   [ That's a good question. With so many different groups owning different
     parts (lyrics, melody, artwork, etc) it's hard to tell who owns what.
     With Mercury's recent loaning of "Tom Sawyer" around, who's to say
     where we'll see it next. Looking forward to that Microsoft commercial,
     aren't you?                                                 : rush-mgr ]


From: sberrett 
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:27:25 -0400
Subject: re: Top 5 intro bands

> The top 5 bands I have been intoduced to through the TNMS  ( new thread ?? ) :
> 1.  Kings X   (absolutely awesome ...)
> 2.  Dream Theater   (it took a while but they are way up there on my list now)
> 3.  Grammatrain  ( wow ... just discovered them, great stuff )
> 4.  Faith No More  ( "Wild Weird Stuff" and lovin every minute of it )
> 5.  Catherine Wheel  (  Just really starting to warm up to them )

great thread, being in Rush circles on the net has paid off for me in
the following ways:

1. Marillion - huge fan now! especially Hogarth 1990s era stuff
2. Kings X - I love these guys! nice spectrum of work from HARD to
3. Tragicaly Hip - my favorite "fun" band

I tried Dream Theatre but it never took.


From: Scott McDow 
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:29:53 -0400
Subject: popular/bruford


>I've tried to talk other people into listening to Rush,
>but I've been largely unsuccessfull. For the most
>part, I've given up. -J. Runnels

I believe my primary reason for enjoying this band for so
long is because there are so few people who feel the
same as I do. Popular music changes so rapidly. If the
machine throws enough money at something, it becomes
popular. By the time the average pop fan is reeling from
the machine's marketing stampede, the fad is killed and
a new one begins. Music isn't the subject anymore.

I stopped trying to convince people how great this band
is. Let it be my little secret. ; )


>has played with Bill Bruford's fusion band in the late
>70's, and also has worked with Allan Holdsworth.

If I may ask, my source says the band Bruford existed
from late '78 to early '81. Can somebody fill me in with
album titles from this band? I'd like to check it out. Also
some background on Allan Holdsworth. I know he
played in a band named UK with John Wetton, Eddie
Jobson and Bill Bruford. Was Allan involved in anything
notable prior to UK (my source is obviously limited!)

Could somebody fill me in on what album(s) UK put out?

Thanks for indulging me...



From: Anna 
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 21:05:04 -0500
Subject: That Cheesy Question

> 4)  (I never got this one answered and I know it's a "cheesy" question,
> but it's just to satisfy my own morbid curiosity) What was the last Rush
> album on 8-Track tape, if they ever stooped that low?  My girlfriend
> says they probably went from vinyl directly to cassette.

Hell, I'll answer it, Derek :)
Don't know about the *last* one... but I do know Moving Pictures was on
8-Track. LOL... it was actually my first exposure to Rush; the 8-Track
in my friend's car, summer of '81!


"All of us get lost in the darkness
 Dreamers learn to steer by the stars"
                                  ~ The Pass ~  Neil Peart


Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:58:37 EDT
Subject: Sound Quality

Hey Hosers,
     I've been reading people's opinions of exceptional sound quality CD's
and YES "Talk" has been mentioned. I would agree that WAS the best sounding
CD, until today!
     I just picked up the new KISS CD "Psycho-Circus" (like I"m sure many of
us did)! and am listening to it as I type. Let me tell Ya, not only is this a
really good album (just what I expected) but the sound quality is exquisite!!
Very clear with just the right punch! Great job all the way around, from one
of the first bands RUSH ever opened for!
      One day closer to 10-10-98


From: James MacLachlan 
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:43:33 -0400
Subject: Victor II confirmation

Heya Hiya Rush folksies:

Just wanted to say, I called up our local radio station HTZ FM here in
St.Catharines, ONT Canada, and got to chat with their program director
during their "Music News" hour at 6:00pm. HTZ FM, being so close to
Toronto, has usually been accurate with their info about Rush via
Anthem/SRO. He confirmed what I had heard, that Alex IS working on the
next Victor project, but it won't most likely see the store shelves till
early next year. And yes, there apparently IS ALOT of outside help on
this project...but we won't know who will show up on the album until Big
AL does his "whats included..whats not included". Like the first Victor
project, which had Tom Cochrane co-writting and playing a couple of
tunes with Alex, and Sebastian Bach doing most of the vocals, obviously
everything turned out different. Here is a list, though, of people Alex
HAS recorded stuff for this project for. Some most likely, like Edwin,
will show up again. We will have to see about the others, though. (Oh
ya...look for Alex on Edwin's solo album due out just before X-Mas). is the list..Many Americans and people from other countries
from other then Canada may not recognize these names. But, then again,
many are quite successful internationally. Here we

1)Jeff Martin, from the band "The Tea Party"
2)Gordie Johnston from the band "Big Sugar"
3)Tom Cochrane
4) Sarah McLachlan (only b/g vocals on two tracks) ( "duets"
5) Tara Mclean
6) Bill Bell ( all remember Bill as Alex's co-writting
partner on the first Victor..well..his wife is now the lady above..Tara
Mclean..very beautiful, soft voice.)
7) The ubiquitous Edwin..(No..he DOESN'T have a last name..hahaha!)

Again...what shows up on the record..who knows! But, I do have a feeling
that this Victor will be a little less "dark" then the first one. This
is what I've heard from people who have VERY luckily got to hear some of
this stuff, so far. Again..I stress...this is all just in it's "Lerxst
incubation" period..this guy changes his mind like most people change
their underwear. (If you wear any..Hhaahaha..oppsss..sorry;-) (Hey...if
ANYBODY gets to the orbit room this fall, you may be fortunate enough to
hear some of this stuff!)


From: James MacLachlan 
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:49:19 -0400
Subject: Spirit Of Radio as first single from Diff Stages

Sorry Rush peoples...I was mistaken in my last post when I said Anthem
had confirmed Animate as the first single. This apparently has changed,
but nobody there will say to what!!
So, maybe SoR will be the first single!?!?! Anybody know or hear of
different...please post!



From: James MacLachlan 
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 00:58:40 -0400
Subject: Sarah McLachlan on Vic. II

>From: "Chris Palo" 
>Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:45:04 PDT
>Subject: Victor II

>Dear fellow Rushians,

>Victor rocked!  I thought it to be some of the most refreshing approach 
>to music taken in a while, rather than everyone ripping off everyone
>else.  Alex showed his true colors in that Album--lots of guitars, loud,
>lyrics which aren't great, but aren't sh*%@y. Hey, 2 out of 3 aren't
>bad.  I thought Alex was trying to help usher in a Neo-Black Sabbath Age
>(Black Sabbath is my fifth favorite band).  Now what does he do?  He
>teems up with Sarah MacLachlan, whose music I absolutely despise (IMHO).
>Oh man, can this mean that Victor II will be more sentimental, less
>loud, concentrate more on vocals and just suck overall?  I guess I will 
>just have to wait and buy the album, but it seems he's really pulling a 
>180 going with her.  Of course, I don't know how much influence she will
>have on the record, so maybe my assumptions will not come to fruition,
>but I think it's a dangerous combo.  Here's an idea that I know will not
>come true.  Why doesn't Alex work with Ed Vedder from Pearl Jam instead 
>of Edwin? I like Edwin, but I know Vedder is a Rush fan and Alex is a
>Pearl Jam fan.  NOw that would kick ass!
>Later everyone!

Chris: little "tidbit" to add here. I wouldn't worry about Sarah's
influence (regardless if you like/dislike her). She has done some VERY
interesting stuff with a Canadian industrial goth band called Skinny
Puppy who could make Victor sound like elevator music. This was a few
years ago, but she sang some b/g vocals for them. And, as far as I know,
she is limited to doing some b/g vocals for Big Al right now...and it
may not even show up on the album. Hope that soothes some of your




Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:32:56 EDT
Subject: Idea to do issue 2112...again!

Hey all (especially the Rush mgr), why not have issue 2112 be the end of
volume 1 of TNMS. After which we can begin again with Vol. 2, issue 1 until we
reach 2112, then on to volume three...hmmmmm


Tom the T in KTEL


From: "Sean Prophet" 
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:04:51 -0700
Subject: Massive Attack

Hello everybody! This is my first post since about '95, so here are my =
Rush credentials:
 own all albums, some 2 copies (one for car, one for home), some =
 own Chronicles & ASOH videos, Masked Rider, and A Work in Progress
 Been to 4 shows, GUP, CP, and TFE 2x
 Took wife and three kids to both TFE shows (musician's earplugs all =
 Have three young Rush fans, (ages 7, 9, and 12). Two want to be =
drummers, one wants to be a singer.
 Posted to R & R HOF to support Rush induction.

Other bands I love:
Yes, Jethro Tull, Dream Theater

I was recently introduced to Massive Attack on NPR's Metropolis. I also =
recall a post a while back saying that Massive Attack was making the =
rounds on Ged's CD player quite a bit. I know it's been posted before, =
but not for a while. You all should really check out this band. They =
have a really unique sound. For those of you in the biz, this band takes =
their Pro Tools work to a new level. MA loves to work with talented =
female vocalists. One of the Cocteau twins has been featured, and others =
whose names I can't remember. For full details, check out MA's studio =
performance in real audio format at the website. It can be =
found under "Morning becomes eclectic" with Chris Douridas.

Rush content: Very sorry to hear about Geddy's disclaimer on the future =
of Rush. But it's not unusual for bands to take a break. Yes was =
virtually defunct for several years and has reformed in at least three =
variations over the years. I think we should all just accept the =
evolution of these human beings and be grateful for what they have =
offered. I get at least as much enjoyment out of Tull and Dream Theater, =
even though they will never be Rush. I saw DT play the House of Blues, =
and the Galaxy concert theater--both under 700 seat venues. I enjoyed =
these shows as much as any Rush show. In the final analysis, it's all =
about the music. And when Rush get bored, they will be back recording =
again. I'm sure Neil will want to make use of his newly acquired Freddie =
Gruber drum skills. For him to put up his kit would be throwing away all =
that effort, not to mention a lifetime of practice. One interesting =
thought regarding his wife: Cancer doesn't just happen all of the =
sudden. He must have known about it for a while, probably during the TFE =
tour. Yet he chose to tour anyway, giving that time to his fans. How =
great a gift is that, for those of us who saw it?

Cheers to all and best wishes!

Sean Prophet


From: (Ryan  N Waggoner)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:22:33 -0400
Subject: Rush sighting? I get points for a Rush sighting for this one?  I chat on
Alamak (  ), and I use the nick Neurotica.

Does that count for anything?  ;)  (Knowing the way things run on Alamak,
though, it's only a matter of weeks before someone else comes on just
before I do, and claims the nick as their own...)


"Now the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw. . ."
           Neil Peart  ("The Trees")


From: (Ryan  N Waggoner)
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:18:49 -0400
Subject: Re: NMS post  -- NOT A FLAME

Please -- I request that none of you flame me for being so behind in my
posts.  My hard drive crashed a little over a week ago, and I'm still
trying to catch up on e-mail, patient, let me express my opinions
like an idiot for a few days, and then I'll be caught up, okay?  Thank


I have to disagree.  I think they desperately needed the alternative
sound.  First off, I *love* the 70s Rush, and I *love* PeW through GUP,
and even parts of PoW.  But I really think HYF, Presto, and RTB are
rather weak albums.  Alex's guitar, although more present, is *much* less
powerful.  I really think the boys going with the edgier, more
alternative sound was really more like taking a step back for them, sort
of revisiting the days of Alex playing killer riffs, and Neil using a
*real* kit.  But at the same time, it allowed them to take a step
forward, away from the (for lack of a better word) rut they'd gotten
themselves into by using a lot of keyboard, and not putting much power in
the bass or guitar.  I'm sorry, and I know there's going to be a lot of
people who hate me for saying this, but I think HYF, Presto, and RTB all
sound rather bland and flat.  RTB is by far the best of the three,
though.  But none of them really have much *power* to them, I don't feel
like.  In my opinion, HYF is the worst Rush album there is.  But that's
not to say that it sucks, and shouldn't be bought.  There *are* some
noteworthy tracks on it, such as Time Stand Still.  But, if I had to pick
an album and lable it "worst", HYF would get my vote.


"Now the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw. . ."
           Neil Peart  ("The Trees")


Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:33:12 EDT
Subject: Epic length songs

Who else besides me would love to see another 10 to 15 minute song on the next
studio album?  Some of their best songs are the long ones, ie. 2112, Cygnus 1
& 2, La Villa, Xanadu, By Tor, and on & on...  
I've seen it mentioned that these songs were "self indulgent," (I think I read
that in that book by that guy B Man or whatever), but if that's the definition
of self indulgent, indulge on!!!!!


Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:22:37 EDT
Subject: zebra and issue 2112/Frozen Ghost

Yes, I rembember Zebra. 
I like them fairly well. We always rocked to "who's behind the door."

What to do with issue 2112 ?
I think someone should TRY and get Members from the Band to 
reply to US  as issue 2112. That would be cool. 
IM still reading issue 1879 yet..ahhhhhh Have 8 meg of issues saved...
I have problmes reading the text files over 50,000 on my text reader in win
I don't know what else to do. 

Another group to listen to is ""Frozen Ghost"" THey are from Canada as well. 
1986= hit= should I see. They have 3 albums as I know of. Usually "OUT of
and are = unavailable to order them. It took me 2 years to find first album on
CD.  The music and lyrics are a small reflection of rush. But of course nothing
beats Rush.


From: Bridget Mc Guire 
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:26:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 8 tracks...

To whoever was asking about 8 tracks...

I don't know how much this really helps you, because I don't know what the
last 8 tracks were, but I have (or at least had - it got reversed so I
through it out) Fly By Night on 8 track, as well as Moving Pictures, which
I still have.  So I can tell you they definitely didn't hop right from
vinyl to casette...there are 8 tracks out there...



From: pankaj kataria 
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:34:36 -0700
Subject: intelligent rock

John wrote: "---You ask why people don't "get" Rush?

     In my opinion, Rush may be a difficult listen for most people.  Try 
     for a moment to step back and listen to a Rush tune like you have
     never heard them before (this would be difficult for a long-time fan).
     They have odd signature beats and rhythms, and challenging guitars and
     keyboards.  You certainly wouldn't expect to hear a Rush tune
     re-arranged by Muzak over your local K-Mart sound system. :)

     Some critics label Rush as "progressive rock".  I've always thought of
     them as "intelligent rock".  While I don't think non-Rush fans are all
     "%#@*ing idiots", I DO think that to be an avid Rush fan requires a 
     higher-than-average degree of intelligence, and an appreciation for 
     music that "deviates from the norm."

Pankaj- Exactly John right on the gut... It requires more than average
intelligence to let rush rush in one's mind and blood!.. I have tried a
lot of my (well very few I hardly have any!!) friends to get into but
with no success.... well Smokin guys, gotta go I gotta a VLSI (Very
Large Scale integration) class (see intelligence in me)..
so long!
Pankaj Kataria


From: Mike Williamson 
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:14:41 -0500
Subject: B-5 and Rush

An orbital mind control laser caused to say:

> the French in 2112."
>That could be taken as a double Rush reference:  the song "Bastille 
>Day" is about a French revolution, and of course "2112" is the year in 
>which the song "2112" takes place.

>J. Michael Straczynski is the show's producer and primary screenwriter. 
> Maybe he's a Rush fan.  Or maybe it's just a coincidence that he put a 
>Rush reference in the dialog.

AFIK, Joe is not a Rush fan--he's never mentioned them anytime I've
spoken to him.  
I think it was just coincidence, like their "Bureau 13" comment that
almost got them a lawsuit, until it was proven to be coincidence.

If anyone has closely watched the 5th season, I have a some
questions--no cable, therefore no TNT.

e-me please



From: "Daniel Ware" 
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:41:46
Subject: Hall of Fame nominations..

Well gang..
The list of nominees is out for induction in 1999, and guess who's not on
The list contains several noteables, such as Paul McCartney, Billy Joel,
Bruce Springsteen, Dusty Springfield, Steely Dan, Black Sabbath(!?!), Del
Shannon, and a few others... 
Well, I suppose it's not too early to start thinking about RnRHoF 2000, is it?
Man, this sucks!
Cheese from New Mexico..
The ship sank...
Get over it.


Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:30:49 EDT
Subject: Re: Sound Quality OOPS!

<<    One day closer to 10-10-98
           Keith >>
Sorry, what I MEANT to say was
 "One day closer to 11-10-98"


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