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         The National Midnight Star, Number 2144

                  Thursday, 19 Nov 1998

Today's Topics:
                     DS Vinyl release
                     DS release in UK
                       DS in Europe
                      World Theatre
                     A Show of Hands!
     TO all who are having problems with Clusterworks
                 In Defense of Criticism
                     various subjects
          re: Problem with Clusterworks Program
       Hoda perception comment clarification (fwd)
              KIDS SHIRT... THE REAL ANSWER!
                        DS Retail
                     RE: ClusterWorks
                      DS-new thread
                     RE: Resist on DS
                  Good is in the details
                       T-shirt idea
                       Pipe smokin'
                       Guitar sound
                       Live Imaging
                       age/ DS Rulz
                      Rush: the vote
          Fw: We can all have a happy Christmas
                  strange 2112 sighting
            Re: Geddy's cold during AFTK tour 
                  Geddy's taste in beer
              Geddy comments on web-surfers
                  clusterworks thing ...
                Re: Geddy's taste in beer
        RE:Geddys' taste in Beer..................
                   drawing on DS cover
                      ice cold beer
                         DYU 502V

Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:28:22 GMT0BST
Subject: DS Vinyl release

Neil Bonfield just made a good point to me about DS on vinyl.  Do you 
have any idea how many records would be required for a recording that 
length?  I remember the problems Iron Maiden had getting as much 
material as possible on Live after Death, and I cannot imagine that 
anyone has invested in research on how to get the grooves closer 
together without reducing sound quality since then.  Neil reckons 
five or six discs.  We'll see.  Red herring anyone?



Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 09:39:58 -0800
Subject: DS release in UK

Thanks to all for replying re my enquiry about the DS release in UK,
unfortunately it appears that we have to wait yet another week until 23 Nov!

Most of the shops in Swansea have'nt even heard of it and may well not have it
then so it appears I may have to travel to Cardiff to purchase mine.

Interestingly the other week whilst in Cardiff at Virgin Music I was informed
that there was a japanese version retailing at 45.00 available as opposed to
the 24.99 standard price - does anyone know what if anything this has 
different to the standard release?

Finally has anyone in UK had any luck ordering their copies overseas at the
lower US prices - I am considering this as an alternative option, suggestions
welcome and still counting down to my own copy!


From: "Grauw, de H.(BNS SU NO)" 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:46:00 +0100
Subject: DS in Europe

Hi all,

well thanks to CD Now I received my copy of DS a week before it's
officially released in Europe. Atlantic  is one stupid record company.

The CD as y'all know is awesome. It's so loud and in your face.. Geddy
rules, both as producer and as a player. His voice sounds richer too,
very good. Alex is great as well, what's with the Dreamline solo though?
Thanks to anyone who had something to do with putting Analog Kid on the
record. Grrrrrrrreat.

One thought: with people in Europe buying a lot of copies through
Internet, recordsales go  down even more, making it even less likely
that Rush will play Europe again.  Atlantic  is one stupid record



From: Al Willig 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 06:46:37 -0600
Subject: World Theatre

I didn't get my copy of different stages in the mail before I left town
for a conference, but I came home Sunday and popped it in.  Dreamline
brought me to tears as it did at the concert.  I then start leafing
through the liner notes to find out that the majority of songs were
recorded at the World Music Theatre in Chicago (I got shivers just
writing that); a show for which I just happened to be in attendance. 
There are times in the show I can hear myself yelling (maybe, it could
be me, I guess.  I choose to believe so).  I can't help feeling that I'm
a (small and probably insignificant) part of Rush history.  Perhaps this
falls in the 'get a life' category but I don't care.  I couldn't be
happier with the disks.   
Al Willig			   "Overwhelmed by everything
Chief Financial Officer		     but wanting more so much."
Minnesota Institute of		     
Acupuncture & Herbal Studies		
Phone:  651 603 0994
Fax:  651 603 0995


From: "Chad M Werner" 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:27:24 -0600
Subject: A Show of Hands!

I was just kidding in my subject line. This post is about DS just like
everyone else's. I haven't seen these things mentioned yet:
1. After the "live" soloing in Dreamline, the "official" solo starts,
and Alex seems to "miss" the jump to the higher notes. Notice that? He
"misses" & that part of the solo ends up sounding quite different in
tone (lower). He seems not to care because he just pulls it apart. It
sounds fantastic! Very dirty.
2. (Most) everyone is talking about how, even after the setlist
bitching, they're glad SOR, CTTH, YYZ, etc. are on DS. But, I haven't
noticed anyone talk at length about TS. Does anyone else notice the
different guitar sound during the verses? It's almost as if there's an
extra note or something in there. Fresh sounding. Very cool. Check out
:48 - 1:04 as an example.
It's cool is how I read all of your observations about DS. Then, I sit
down with DS & listen for all the things you guys talk about. I'm such a
geek. Thanks to all of your observations. You have made my listenings
that much more fun. I'm such a geek.


From: Christopher Murray 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:48:08 -0500
Subject: TO all who are having problems with Clusterworks

To all who are having problems with Clusterworks,

It is my belief that most everyone's problems are related
to one of two causes:

1) CD-ROM is old and it cannot handle the Enhanced CD format
This will be the problem if you cannot get the CD to recognize
that there is other stuff on the CD, besides the audio

2) Video card and/or video drivers are old or not compatible. 
This is the case if you get memory allocation errors, general
protection faults, dreaded blue screen of death, or basically
any other symptom.

When I first tried to use Clusterworks on my NT machine
here at work, the the screen would slowly go black as if it 
was going to start, but then an error would occur with some 
kind of memory allocation error 

I originally chalked this up to the fact that I trying to
run it under NT, when the instructions say it will work 
under 95/98 (and not NT specifically), but then I tried to
run it on my machine at home which also uses NT, and it
has absolutely no problems.

The major difference between my two machines - the video cards
I am running - a 2Mb Stealth 3D at work and an 8Mb ATI Expert@Play
at home.  Since 2Mb of video memory should be plenty for such a 
basic application, I gotta figure that the reason for the crashes
at work is that those drivers are not up to date.

So for all you having problems with Clusterworks in NT, 95, 98,
try updating your video drivers. 

Hope this helps,
Christopher Murray			Applied Research Laboratory
Assistant Research Engineer		The Pennsylvania State University
Work Phone:  (814) 865-2016		P.O. Box 30
Home Phone: (814) 231-2125		State College, PA 16804
Work Fax: (814) 863-1479 		Email:


From: "Chad M Werner" 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 07:56:15 -0600
Subject: In Defense of Criticism

Recently, I came to the defense of those seeking to analyze the
tinkertoys because people were starting to complain about it. Some
people are getting awfully hostile. Personally, I've REALLY appreciated
the various interpretation of the toys: symbolizing Neil's losses, the
band members personal/professional relationships, the 3 discs, etc. I
think that these are all valid, and NOT just because they're "opinions
so they can't be wrong"; but, because they make SENSE from a critical
standpoint. Look, Hugh himself might, indeed, have said that there is no
hidden meaning. He may not have INTENDED for these discussions, but
let's face it, he shouldn't have based the cover art of a Rush album on
the number 3 if he didn't want people to analyze it. It's that simple.
Think about the inner liner of HYF & the back cover of Sig. There ARE
slightly hidden little messages & jokes on those. It is undeniable. So,
that's why those of us inclined to do so are analyzing DS. I'm pretty
sure people like Shakespeare, John Updike & L. Frank Baum never, at the
time of writing, assumed that their writings would be pored over in
detail. But, in college I wrote many lengthy papers on the symbollism,
gender roles, etc. these writers employed; whether they intended it or
not. Was my work stupid & unecessary? I don't think so. It certainly
trained me to look critically at art. It's part of who I am.
No one has to agree with what I'm saying, but come on.... We ALL love
Rush. That's why we're here. In many cases, this love of Rush is the
only thing we have in common. We shouldn't get bogged down by bickering
about the differences in our artistic criticism. Let's be glad as a
group that we have this wonderful document from our heroes, and accept
that each of us has different ways of expressing our feelings.


From: "The Clayton's" 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:30:36 -0600
Subject: Apology

I wanna apologize for the post I made regarding Neil's family and the
tinker toys.  Didn't mean to be morbid or inappropriate.  That's just my
opinion, and I guess I should have kept it to myself.  Truly sorry if I
offended anyone.  Lara


From: "c. parker" 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 08:29:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: various subjects

In all honesty, I wasn't expecting much from DS.  Rush's last
three albums are among my least favorite of their releases, and
the setlist looked less than stellar.  It just didn't seem like
two full CDs from the TFE tour would be something I wanted to
hear.  Then I bought it.
Allow me to elaborate:  Wow.

>I don't know about anyone else, but I think I already worn out Driven on
>my copy of DS.  Is Ged's solo not the greatest thing you've ever heard
>on a live album of Rush's?  OK, maybe not if you are a drummer or a

Despite the "double qualification" of your statement (on a live
album / of Rush's), I still don't quite agree.  It seemed...
unnecessary.  Neat, but not needed.  I play bass, btw, so don't
start looking for an instrumental bias.

I was very surprised with the live version of Driven.  It was
one of the first things that hooked me about DS.  It caught my
attention immediately, as I don't like the version on TFE.  I
could explain my reasons, but eventually it would just get down
to my own subjective opinion, so I'll leave it at that.

Re Clusterworks
I haven't had any problems running it on my PC at work, save
for one rather annoying twitch  It won't run in 24 bit color.
It'll run in 256 color, 16 bit, and 32 bit.  Yes, that's right,
it'll run in color modes above and below 24.  Just not 24, which
is where I happen to have mine set.  And, due to problems with
other programs, switching between modes doesn't always work well.

"Norm & Nancy Birtley"  wrote:
>On Sept. 22, 12.4% of the messages in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Forums
>contained the word "RUSH".  Today, 31.4% of the messages contain "RUSH".  So
>they didn't nominate Rush this year, but at this rate, 99.9% of the messages
>will be about Rush by the time they do the nominations next year.

Not to burst your bubble, or put a damper on any joke you were
making, but extrapolations don't work that way...

To quote Mark Twain in an effort to show you why:
"In the space of one hundred and seventy-six years the
Mississippi has shortened itself two hundred and forty-two miles.
Therefore... in the Old Silurian Period the Mississippi River was
upward of one million three hundred thousand miles long... seven
hundred and forty-two years from now the Mississippi will be only
a mile and three-quarters long." wrote:
>are you to say that just because something is static, there can be no
>perception, and that the only way for me to have the illusion of perception
>is for it to have movement? Take that book laying on the desk's
>not moving, but I know it's there.

The book isn't moving, true, but the light that's allowing you
to see the book is.
It all depends upon your point of view, and what definitions of
"static," "perception," and "real" you're using.  In the strictest
sense, nothing is completely static... even at absolute zero, there
is still some movement.
So many arguments appear between people using two different
definitions of a single word.  Don't let this be one of them...

Doug Allison/SYRINX-MU Enterprises  wrote:
>This cd is a GIFT...It is something extra, something above and beyond, a free
>expression of graditute to us - the fans - for our support over the years.
>That cd should be accepted in the spirit of a gift - would you complain
>about getting a free Porshe from Grandma Bessie because you didn't like the
>way it was delivered to you?

Talk about blowing things out of proportion...
Would I complain about the Porsche?  No, but if I asked for 
and/or was expecting a blue convertible and got a puke green
hardtop with no hubcaps, I'd be a little disappointed.  I'd
probably voice that opinion, too, but not directly to my
benefactor.  Maybe, say, in a forum about Porsches or grandmas.
Now if only there were a place to voice my opinion about the
packaging of a Rush album...

I appreciate the work done by just about everyone that does
anything for me, including the poor fellow working at the sandwich
shop.  However, this doesn't mean that I think everyone does
everything perfectly.  I know I don't.  If no one lets me know
what I'm doing wrong, though, how can I correct it?  Hopefully,
word will get back to the designers of the CD, and they'll come up
with something different.  Who knows, that may be how this layout
came to be in the first place - people complaining that they didn't
like the 2 CD "mini-stacks" in which many double albums are sold.

 -        "those who are not afraid of monsters tend      not to leave descendents." - carl sagan


From: Craig Brennan 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:15:41 -0500
Subject: re: Problem with Clusterworks Program

> I just got DS, of course, and installed the Clusterworks program on my
> Windows 95 computer.  It installed okay, but, when I try to run it, the
> program crashes.  I've tried to launch it from the Program menu and from
> the Control Panel, and I've tried to use it as a screen saver.  Each
> time it crashes, and I get the message "Clusterworks STUPA caused an
> invalid page fault in module CLUSTERWORKS STUPA.SCR at 0137:004152fl"
> from screen saver mode OR "Clusterworks STUPA caused an invalid page
> fault in module  at 0000:0b75fc5d" from the regular start menu.

Ok, here's what you need to do. Remove the CD from the drive (Be carful not
to damage it) and insert it back into the protective cardboard holder. Turn
off your machine. Unplug the computer. Pick it up and take it to your
nearest Apple retailer and tell them you want to exchange it for something
that actually works (ie. a Mac).

If you are a RUSH fan then you know what it's like to be a Mac advocate.
Whether it be music or computers, Apple and Rush both produce a great
product (the best in their respective industries) and both get neither the
respect nor the recognition they deserve. They are both victims of "bad
press" and are constantly fighting the false stereotypes pertpetuated by an
industry that doesn't bother to check it's facts but instead would rather
rely on tired cliches.

If you are a WinDoze user ask youself this the next time you spend hours on
hold with techincal support, "What computers do RUSH rely on to make their
music?" Macs!

Sorry if this sounds like a SoapBox monologue and I don't want to incite a
Mac vs PC debate but I just find a lot of parallels between Rush and Apple
that I haven't yet seen mentioned in this forum.

Craig Brennan


From: Dan McConnell 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:35:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Hoda perception comment clarification (fwd)

A few days ago, I wrote:

> About the Clusterworks program - pretty cool inclusion, but it seems that
> Hisashi Hoda is mistaken about one thing:  He states that there are 2
> kinds of perception, one based on movement and the other on static images.
> Well, the scientific fact of the matter is there is no such thing as the
> perception of static images or of static perception.  All perception,
> visual or otherwise, is based on movement.  Without movement, there is no
> perception.  Of course, this doesn't take away from his artistic
> accomplishments with the Clusterworks program, but the scientist in me
> just had to speak up.
And someone else replied with: 
> >>>> although I'm not a scientist, it seems to me that I don't entirely agree
> with the definition of perception...........are you to say that just because
> something is static, there can be no perception, and that the only way for me
> to have the illusion of perception is for it to have movement? Take that book
> laying on the desk's not moving, but I know it's
> there.............therefore i have a perception that it is real.......right?
> Just a little confused...please help clarify

This will be my only reply to the digest about this, because it could
easily digress far far from having any RUSH content (as if it hasn't
already). Anyone who would like to respond past this please do so via
private email.
The classic analogy of vision working like a camera, in which we passively
register static images, like snapshots, is far from correct.
The idea that perception cannot occur without motion is based on the fact
that we, as observers, are never still.  Even when standing as perfectly
still as we can, we still experience slight eye movements and typically
significant postural sway.  This keeps the image on the retina in constant
flux.  Perception is a dynamic and active process that is enabled by
our ability to move.  The cutting edge of perceptual research is now
known as Perception/Action.  Further, perception is temporally extended
beyond the razor's edge of the present.  

A classic experiment that examined the possibility of freezing the retinal
image was once performed in which a picture was glued to a contact lens,
and thus no matter how the wearer moved, the image moved too so that the
same receptors on the retina were continually stimulated - and guess what?
Perception broke down.  Among other things, the receptors adapted to the
point that they no longer could function.  The subject reported seeing
nothing after only a few moments.
For those interested, I direct you to J.J. Gibson's classic treatise, The
Ecological Approach to Visual Perception, published by Erlbaum in 1979.

(note that I won't touch your brief assertion that perception is some sort
of an illusion - oh boy)

Other things regarding Clusterworks on Macs:
Does anyone who is using system 7.6 (or anything predating OS 8) have
trouble with Quicktime 3.0 ?
When I restarted my PowerMac with 7.6.1 after the installation, a weird
system error kept occuring, and I could do nothing with the machine, so I
had to restart without extensions, and I disabled various nonessential
Quicktime things like QTVR, and restarted and it managed to work, although
a few of my games don't function as smoothly as before.
Clusterworks functions, though I found it somewhat boring.  I have
AfterDark screensavers that are more psychedelic.  

Now I am reading that some Mac users on this list are able to synch it up
with the Rush music (as opposed to the lame music that accompanies
Clusterworks)? How do you do that?  I can't even access the audio tracks
on disc 1 of Different Stages when its in my computer.  All I can see are
Clusterworks and QT data files, and installers.

Can someone please post a list of all commands for interacting with

Oh - and to all those who suggest that the tinkertoys are about Jackie and
Selena - isn't it the case that Neil had very little to do with the design
and production of DS and that this is the work of Hugh Syme?
Why would Hugh bring such attention to this tragedy by placing it smack
dab on the cover of a new Rush album.
Besides, on the back cover, the 3 tinkertoys are labelled as Stage1,
Stage2 and Stage 3, i.e. Different Stages.  I think the significance is
directly related to the Differnent Stages of RUSH represented on the
album.  Further, there are 3 tinkertoys because there are 3 members of
RUSH - with the number 3 being apparent on just about every cover since
Signals, that I can think of.
Art is such a thing that you never know how people will interpret it.

   [ You also must remember that the packaging was being designed as early
     as March!!                                                 : rush-mgr ]



From: Craig Brennan 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:40:35 -0500

>I think the kids shirt says fIIk not yIIk. fIIk means Farewell To (II is
>roman numerals for two) Kings. Get it now. What would the yIIk mean

Actually, if you research the etimology of the word "Farewell" you will
discover that it descends from the Old English term "yare" which means "to
travel without shoes" and refers the displacement of the Monarchy at the
hands of the Serfs. When Medevil Kings were cast out the serfs removed
their shoes so they would have to walk like the common
Thus the term "Farewell to Kings" thought to mean "good-bye my honorable
king" is actually "Yarewell to Kings" or "Walk without shoes you rich, fat
bastard". That is why the shirt correctly reads YIIK.

Craig Brennan


From: Zahid Hassan 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:05:34 +0000
Subject: DS Retail

The UK release date is now the 23rd of this month but it retails at about
25 ($35-40).  Looks like the people in America can pick this album up at
the silly UK (equivalent) price of about 12!!!!!!!! What is the world
coming to???
You know the worst thing is (and this is true) that when you go to a record
shop here, the younger assistants have never heard of Rush - they say
"sorry....Bush?" -  or another fave comment is "Jennifer Rush.......I
thought she stopped singing 10 years ago"
Well you can't win them all.


From: Dan Bruss 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:25:35 -0600
Subject: RE: ClusterWorks

>From: Tom Beaudoin 
>Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 22:21:26 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: Thomas Perry's note: enhanced CD
>T. Perry's note of communication with the author of the Clusterworks 
>program confirms for me that this was a pretty serious waste of time by 
>Rush to put on their new CD.  If the program has no real relationship 
>to the music, as the author of the program has now seemed to confirm, 
>then -- really -- what is the point of including it on a Rush CD?  Just 
>because Geddy thought it was a cool looking thing???  
>I'm quite disappointed and will quickly de-install Clusterworks from my 
>computer.  I'm interested in responses from others on this issue.

I disagree that the ClusterWorks program is a "pretty serious waste of time
by Rush."  Yes, it's true that it may not have a very strong relationship
to the music.  However, I still think it was a nice gesture by the band to
include it on the CD.  It's nice because we're getting something for
nothing.  ClusterWorks didn't add anything to the price of the set.
ClusterWorks didn't detract anything away from the music on the set.  And
people who enjoy computer-generated art will probably find the program to
be interesting.

So, to answer the question "what's the point of putting it on a Rush CD?",
I just think that the program falls in line with the bonus CD...a little
something extra from the band to the fans.  Something extra that does not
add to the cost of the project, or detract from the quality of the project.

Of course, another opinion on the matter could be, "Why not keep
ClusterWorks off the CD and add more music to the free space on the disc?"
In one interview of Geddy that I read, it sounded like the decision to add
ClusterWorks was towards the end of the project, maybe a last minute thing,
so the setlist for the set was probably already determined.  (This could be
way off, but that's how I interpreted the interview.)

Anyone else with some thoughts on this?


"The point of a journey
  is not to arrive."  - Neil Peart


From: "matthew alexander majewski" 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 11:27:33 -0700
Subject: DS-new thread

Ok, 3 favorite songs from the new live album(excluding the bonus CD)...

1.  2112 - Presentation.  Alex just reaffirms my belief that he IS the most 
underated rock guitarist.
2.  LTTA. Wow!!!  I love this song and the boys do a fantastic job on it.
3.  Driven.  Ged's solo, nuff said.

Honorable mention...
The Spirit of Radio.  Just because it gives me goose bumps.


From: Dan Bruss 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:33:45 -0600
Subject: RE: Resist on DS

>From: "Hancock Mark (RBGB-CF/PCT)" 
>Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 11:06:18 +0100
>Subject: Resisit on DS
>Michael P McGee wrote:-
>>Also, according to Geddy, Resist was inspired by a Scottish what?

I just listened to Resist on DS for the first time today. (I was savoring
the flavor of Disc 1. =) )  Anyway, to me, it sounded like Geddy said "This
song is inspired by the great country of Scotland."


"The point of a journey
  is not to arrive."  - Neil Peart


From: "Flynn, Jason R" 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:01:33 -0600
Subject: Good is in the details

>From: Benjamin Leimkuhler 
>Subject: Vocal on The Analog Kid
>On Limelight, the last super high squeaky note of the solo is supposed 
>to sustain all the way up until "those who wish to be."  Alex doesn't 
>do that anymore.  That's part of the song.  That's the way the solo is 
>played.  You don't just leave that shit out.  

Now there's someone who's paying attention!  Ben, I'd highlight your whole
post as it was filled with detailed tidbits throughout, but I don't have the
space.  I've had countless opinions similar to yours over the years but
wouldn't have been able to describe them nearly as well as you did.  Be that
as it may, I'm of the opinion that every single omission or change to a song
is intentional and not an oversight.  And while I may be disappointed that
Neil now chooses to hit the remote hi-hat in place of the china cymbal at
the end of Tom Sawyer, I respect his and the band's decision for these
modifications--after all, they're the ones who play the songs.  I hope you
can appreciate the gems of the additional animal sounds at the end of The
Trees, and the resurrection of the "barroom piano" (anyone remember where
that came from?) at the end of TSOR as evidence that they do indeed revisit
these seemingly overlooked nuances and make conscious decisions about what
to play and what not to play.



Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:03:47 EST
Subject: T-shirt idea

I've got a killer design for a DS t-shirt.  I thought about sending it in to
Atlantic, but what are the chances of a big company like them choosing a
design from a little, semi-professional artist like me?  If any of you out
there (TNMS people included) are in the t-shirt making business, I'll let you
have the design, provided I get a shirt.

   [ Send the image to me, we're working on some ideas for new NMS shirts... 
                                                                : rush-mgr ]


From: Jose Ramos 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:31:43 -0500
Subject: Pipe smokin'

"Reid, Bruce"  wrote:

>Jose Ramos  Wrote:

>>One question I have, though. No one mentioned that there are hearts in the
>>side of the tikertoys. It's been a while since I played with them, but for
>>the life of me, I can not remember there being hearts in the sides. Take a
>>close look. I thought this definitely symbolized Neil's loss. But I think
>>the cover of a new album wouldn't be the place where Neil and the boys
>>want to symbolize it. But why the hearts then?

>Well I am going to have to put this dog to rest. Jose, I don't mean to
>flame, but you have to put the pipe down for a while.

>Those are not hearts. They are simply the holes viewed at an
>The tinker toys are not square. You are looking at a circle on a
>cylinder..This makes it eliptical. Sorry Jose....

Bruce, I guess I was wrong.  Actually, I put down the pipe about four years
ago (before Counterparts).  Maybe I should pick it up again, huh?  LOL



From: Jason Poling 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:58:54
Subject: Guitar sound

>Hey, all you guitar virtuosos out there...
>I have a Fender (Squier) Strat and a little 10-watt amp, and I was trying
>to copy Alex's "jangly" sound during the opening moments of "Leave That
>Thing Alone".  Has anyone been able to duplicate that pretty well?  My
>attempts don't give me enough of a ring--the tone comes out sounding too

Good luck getting anything to sound good with a Squier.


From: "JL" 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:21:54 -0800
Subject: Live Imaging

Different Stages is a big treat, I new it would be OK but it totally ROCKS!
The production is the closest Rush concert sound on album yet, I wish they
could get this kind of polished edge on the studio albums. Big bottom end
but not muddy like T4E.
The live stereo imaging is awesome, absolutely true.  Close your eyes and it
takes you back to the show.  Crowd is just right as well.  Now I really want
a video version....
Enjoy everyone.


From: John Parks 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:25:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: age/ DS Rulz

Well i am a fairly young fan myself,19.  I got into Rush my freshman
year in highschool, right after Counterparts came out.  A good friend
of mine who was in my highschools drumline with me would always rave
about this Neil guy.  Needless to say I converted real quick to Rush
after hearing some of their stuff.  I only lack in buying ATWAS, other
than that I have all the CD's and the new DS which by the way rocks so
freakin hard.  I actually like the packaging, come on, three cd's in
one cd space.  Also I just got the Rudess Morganstein Project cd,
awsome is all I can say.  You can order it from 
It took about a week and a half for it to come in and the price wasn't
to bad, plus they have a good selection of other music.  Check it out

>hello,      Not to be rude to any of you fellow Rush >fans,but i was
>wonderinghow old you guys are. I have searched high >and low to find
>teenage fansuch as myself.(im 16) And i've had little >luck other
than some of my
>closestfriends. I wish more people my age would be >more inclined to
listen to
>Rushrather than rap or country. Oh well! i can always >dream.lovebecca 



From: "Douglas White" 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:31:12 -0500
Subject: Rush: the vote

I needed to try out some perl, so you can now go vote for your
favorite/least favorite studio tracks and best/worst albums at:

and check what everyone else thinks, too.    Doug
ObRQ: "Go wild!"


From: "Ronald Smith" 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:36:21 -0400
Subject: Fw: We can all have a happy Christmas

Dear TMNS and numerous RUSH fans,

    With the release of DS, we can certainly have a happy Christmas! 
I've been scanning the feedback about the new live set, and most are =
quite pleased with the finished product. Time will tell if this is the 
last recording by the boyz, but, if it is, it's a great way to conclude 
an incredible career.

    Personally, I feel Geddy, Alex, and Neil still have much to offer 
the music world. Despite Neil's personal tragedies, his love is playing 
the drums and being part of the band, so I can't see him not wanting to 
have this in his life. It's not like he's unable to play, or is 
handicapped in any way. I'm sure we'll know the future plans of the band 
in the not so distant future.

    My favourite tracks on DS are "Driven" and "Natural Science." These 
songs seem to exemplify the band's live sound the best. Boy, this is one 
recording that makes me glad I own a house and can crank the volume 
control at my own pleasure.....


From: Slim Jim 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:37:25 +0000
Subject: strange 2112 sighting

I saw a young lady wearing a duffle coat at Charing Cross station 
in London today.. on the back, behind each shoulder was an 
embroidered motif featuring a Yorkshire Terrier dog, with the 
wording "Alssa Club 2112" encircling it.




From: Slim Jim 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:39:31 +0000
Subject: Re: Geddy's cold during AFTK tour 

"Farshad A, Dailami" wrote:

> If you caught the broadcast a couple of weeks ago before the album (can I say
> album still? does that date me?) was released, you will recall Geddy and
> Alex's account of what happened that particular night they recorded the
> show. Geddy had a cold and his voice was givin him trouble, so, he ended up
> phrasing things a bit differently. Yes, his voice does sound scratchy, a bit
> rough.

I met Geddy a few days before the 1978 disc was recorded.. seem to
remember I was a little under the weather at the time.. wonder if I
gave him the cold?



Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:53:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Geddy's taste in beer

> From: "David M. Campbell" 
> Subject: Geddy's taste in beer
> In Working Man, Ged was probably saying "ice cold beer."  

To avoid potential confusion:  Yes, in the studio Working
Man, you're right.  However in Hammersmith '78 Working
Man, Geddy sang "Watney's Red Barrel" instead.

> After all, it was
> a Canadian company (Molson, I believe) that created the ice-brewing process,
> which results in a lager with almost no flavor at all (if you ask me...).

The Japanese actually came up with the modern ice beer
craze.  Accidentally frozen doppelbock was called eisbock
in Germany though, and the beer resulting from removing
the ice was quite potent and malty-sweet.  But that's a 
whole 'nother thing...

But, "ice cold beer" has been a common term since long
before the ice beer fad you refer to, which Working Man
actually preceeded in any event.

> Personally, I think Ged should have said "nice warm ale," but I don't think

Well, "cool," sure.

> a "Working Man" would want anything fancy...just cold and alcoholic.  I
> would have said a "Victory IPA" or maybe a "Dog Fish Head."

Victory is a world-class brewery, and I'll refrain from
offering a list of my favorite local, regional, and extra-
regional GoodBeers for brewvity's (hah!  typo-cum-pun) 
sake.  But to keep things British, I *love* Young's Special 
London Ale--it's my favorite ESB/pale ale from Britain (but 
I've not been there in person either).

"[Y]ou could make an argument for Portland being the beer capital 
of the world...When I come into the airport, I'd like to see a sign 
that says, "Welcome to the Beer Capital."" -- Michael Jackson
"Beer, if drank with moderation, softens the temper, cheers the 
spirit and promotes health."  --  Thomas Jefferson


From: "Heselbarth, Rob  (Cahners)" 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 17:38:01 -0500
Subject: Geddy comments on web-surfers

In a recent article in Liner Notes Magazine, editor Thomas Greco interviewed
Geddy about Different Stages. During the interview Mr. Greco asked Geddy
about the many RUSH web sites on the Internet. Following is that section of
the interview:

LN: Surfing the web, last night, I found over 100 sites dedicated to Rush.
That must be daunting for you.

GL: Oh yeah. It's a huge compliment. But I do think these people need to get
outdoors more (laughs).

I enjoy the NMS sometimes, but I also thought Geddy had a good point. 

   [ Outdoors? What's that? Oh, THAT'S what my window is showing me!
                                                            : rush-mgr ]

Rob Heselbarth

"I bet none of you have ever kissed a girl!!!" -- William Shatner addressing
a group of "Trekies"


From: Guilherme Loch Waltrick 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 20:44:41 -0200
Subject: clusterworks thing ...

Hey doodz I hava a poor machine ( a pentium 120 with 10meg of ram ) and the
clusterworks porgram run ok to me . The only problem I had is that I can
run the program without a different stages cd into my cd-rom neither run it
as a screen saver it will ask me to put one different stage cd on the drive
, and this piss me off cuz I can't leave the cd's on my pc , I need to hear
them everywhere I go ...



From: Eric Haswell 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:53:42 -0700
Subject: Re: Geddy's taste in beer

"David M. Campbell"  spewed forth:

>In Working Man, Ged was probably saying "ice cold beer."  After all, it was
>a Canadian company (Molson, I believe) that created the ice-brewing process,
>which results in a lager with almost no flavor at all (if you ask me...).

Actually, that rather short-lived trend in brewing was started by Labatt,
another big Canadian brewer. They even had a patent on the process if I
remember correctly. I'll agree with you about the taste though, it really
did suck!!

>Personally, I think Ged should have said "nice warm ale," but I don't think
>a "Working Man" would want anything fancy...just cold and alcoholic.  I
>would have said a "Victory IPA" or maybe a "Dog Fish Head."

How about an "OV" or an "Club" or ever a "Pil"?? All are good beers for the
Working Man, except perhaps the middle one, which is really quite awful and
should not be consummed by anyone (gag gag, ackkkkkkkk). My preferences lie
with the latter - Pilsners all around!!!



From: Chris Cozzolino 
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:00:41 -0500
Subject: RE:Geddys' taste in Beer..................

Hey You Know DAVE,,,,,,,,,, who really cares anyway,, get the new cd
yet.. get some head phones
and listen, listen , listen.... it'll all come clear in the

Hey This IS The COZZ-Man, and I have spoken...


 I am yelling on the last track on disc 1 Can ya hear
me.........2112,,,,awesome man..


Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: drawing on DS cover

sorry if this has been covered already but I haven't caught up with all the 
issues yet.

Someone asked about the equations and stuff on the cover.  Someone already 
pointed out the gravitational constant (more accurately, the acceleration 
due to gravity) of 32 ft/s^2 (although it's actually 32.2, nbd) and the 
2112^3.  But the two equations (I'm not going to try to recreate them, 
you can look at the cover) are completely meaningless, from a mathematical 
or physical standpoint anyway.  It kinda reminds me of that old CloseUp 
toothpaste commercial where the girl has to tutor the football player...
"Now, Chuck...the equation...", "x=2cos(a)","You'll pass"  .  That always pissed me off because x=2cos(a) doesn't 
mean anything.  No wonder I didn't get any action in high school...I was too 
concerned with reality! :)

I love all the little tinkertoy sightings.  It just makes it more fun for the 
hard core fan (you think music critics are looking through the booklet 
trying to find little signs and stuff?  I don't think so)  I think there is 
a tink toy on one of the montage pictures of Neil drumming, (Power Windows 
era, above the Japanese 'boy with binocs' poster) anybody second this?



Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:57:21 EST
Subject: ice cold beer

I'm not sure if this has been answered yet, but Ged says "Watney's Red Barrel"
instead on "Working Man". It's a British brew (not too bad).
                         Tim in KC


Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: DYU 502V

I think this should clear up things...

Q1.  What does the DYU 502V on the truck symbolize?

It is just a number plate ... repeat ... it is just a number plate!
(license plate for all you US readers).

For god sake - does everything have to mean something!

Yes, yes it does.  And I'll tell you what it means.

First off, convert the 502 to it's roman numerals DII and you get DYU DIIV.  Do
I have to spell it out any further?  It's so obvious.  DYU DIIV is clearly an 
acronym for Dirty Yucky Underwear - Devil Is In Vegas.  Need I say more?!?!?!  
Not since Dog Years has there been more compelling evidence of the bands 
alliegance to the one we don't name.  And the tinker toy stuff?  can you say 
phallic? HELLO!!!!!  The headline in the montage- "Rush of BLOOD to the 
heads"!!!! My GOD People!!!  Must those who know what's best for us rise and 
save us from ourselves?  apparently!  Need more convincing...

On the montage, the 2112 tour book it has 1977 2112.  now strip away the 19 and
the 12, and adding the evil number 13 to the 21, you have 7734, which any 
teenager with a calculator knows spells "hell" when turned upside down.  And 
over on the Hemispheres era stuff, the flier says Rush U.K. Winter Tour.  Oh 
please don't make me spell it out!!!  If I must... r-u-s: Rodent's of Unusual 
Size (you may say Hey Mark, Princess Bride hadn't even come out yet! to which I
say - you think demonspawn can't see in the future? HELLO!!!) ok, next; 
h-u-k-w-i-n:  As we all know Hukwin is the patron saint of pool cleaning 
implements - I tremble with fear just thinking about the slime and muck 
involved, and lastly; t-e-r-t-o-u-r: an anagram for torture, duh!  Crytsal 
clear from where I sit - listen to Rush or be forever tortured by having to 
clean giant rat turds out of the pool.  

For myself, I'm forever trapped in this Limbo I call Rush fandom.  But it's not
too late for some of you younger fans.  Run!  Run I tell you, burn those CD's 
and tapes and concert programs and listen to wholesome music like that 2Pac 
Shaker guy or Marilyn Manson (I always thought she was a pretty American girl, 
despite the Playboy thing.  poor Joe Dimaggio)

If you have to ask, the answer is yes.

Have a good one!



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