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         The National Midnight Star, Number 2160

                   Friday, 18 Dec 1998

Today's Topics:
                 Rush fan generalizations
                         2/3? heh
                      License Plates
                 scientists and thinking
                    AFTK Live Question
                    Rush Chart Update
         re:  Fastest Guitarist is definitely...
                       Gold recordz
                    Re: an observation
            Not the APTB "Sound" Debate Again!
                       Rush Pinball
                  Sorry, but I love CoS
                   Another BMG question
                    Re: An Observation
             Joe Benson is on this list?!?!?!
                    Fastest Guitarist
              You asked about Speed Demons?
            Mix Magazine Peter Collins Article
                A Little Bit of Everything
                   Mixing Neil's Drums
                 Crappy Snare-Drum Sound
                   Album certification
                  just had to comment...
        Winston Churchill would've been a Rush fan
                       some things
                       a funny one
       Relayer By Yes, Brad Webb! / Small sighting
                       Fast Playing
            Your NMS Post Concerning "Relayer"
                  NEIL IS A HUMAN BEING!
            Prism records - for the LAST time
            RE: Deeper Into The Rhythm Method
              Re: Whatever happened to Juno?
      Thinking sometimes gets us in trouble........

From: (The RUSH Fans Digest Manager)
Date: Mon Jan  4 11:35:41 PST 1999
Subject: Administrivia

I got sick of big balls and who has bigger balls and all the crap that's
been in the digest lately, so I took a vacation! This is the first digest
since the 16th, hope you didn't miss us too much :-)

I've checked up on Rockline, and they still do NOT have Rush scheduled for
any date (all the shows in January are already taken), I'll keep my eye on 
it though.

- rush-mgr


From: "Amy R" 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:04:07 PST
Subject: Rush fan generalizations


Just because most Rush fans might be older, married, and republican, 
doesn't mean that everybody is.  Geez, if what I've heard from most 
long-time fans is correct, most people got turned on to them in high 
school.  Now, there's not many of us, but there is a new generation of 
Rush-loving high schoolers, and I am one of them!  So don't rule out the 
power of the original fan base!  Thanks,

One liberally-inclined sophomore


From: Dainis Garuts 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 18:20:23 -0800
Subject: 2/3? heh

>I hate to call ya on something but I've never even heard of a 2/3 time sig.
>2/2, 2/4, 2/8 and even 2/16 but know 2/3...

>I beleive you were wanting to say 3/2 ...ONE..two..three

Well, being a well versed drummer of 20 years, I'd have to say I've never
seen "two third-notes [2/3]" either. I suppose you could say it's 3/2 or
three half notes, and that's all a matter of how you want to put it on
paper, but those are some incredibly short half-notes. Personally I'd write
that as 3/4 or 6/4, i.e. three quarter-notes or six quarter-notes per
measure. At that signature, that would make the speed about 192 bpm.

just my spin


From: "Michael Z. Williamson" 
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:21:20 -0800
Subject: CTTH

>Alan N said:

>In Alex's lead section there is a "white noise" type thing.. Only 
>present through the lead section and then it fades away..  Almost like 
>"tape" noise..

I heard it too--I think it is amp noise from distortion.  Otherwise, I
have no idea.

mike  Edged weaponry, from the stone age to the space

Mathematically, I'm certain there are gun-control proponents who are not
paranoid, phobic, or irrational.  I just haven't met any yet.


From: Scott McDow 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:36:48 -0500
Subject: presence mused

>Does the fashion in which the "tinkerlith" appears throughout the DS
>linernotes remind anyone else of "the obelisk" from Led Zeppelin's
>"Presense" album?  The way it just randomly appears here and there?

wow! It wasn't two nights ago I put that cd in the car and thought the same 
thing. Can you see a family today sitting at a table at the yacht club with 
the tinkerlisk? Picture the girl with a nosering!

oh, and for the record, Presence is Zep's best album, IMO.



From: Benjamin Leimkuhler 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:13:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: License Plates

Here in St. Joseph, Missouri where I live, I have seen about a hundred
license plates ending with HYF, and probably another hundred ending with
FBN.  And those people have no idea how cool that makes them.

Ben Leimkuhler


From: "Michael Z. Williamson" 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:08:03 -0800
Subject: scientists and thinking

>Catherine Brissette said:
>> Yes, I've spoken with many true Rush fans, and they all seem to be 
>>"thinking" people. 
> I am a true Rush fan, and as a scientist, most certainly a thinking 

While this person definitely needed taking to task, I would argue with
the assertation that scientists by definition can think--I know several.
Some can think, and well.  The others sort of muddle along.  I've tied
them in logical knots many times when they make blanket statements,
frequently based on the proposition that 99% = almost 100%, therefore,
the 1% variance does not exist.

But listening to Rush would cause me to give you the benefit of the
doubt--but I have met some flaming idiots who were Rush fans.

mike  Edged weaponry, from the stone age to the space

If guns cause crime, then women cause prostitution.


From: "S. Berrett" 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:46:59 -0700
Subject: AFTK Live Question

Alright all you technical geeks... I have a question.

Take a listen to the new live AFTK on DiffStages. In the opening =
sequence (Alex's acoustic stuff).... am I nuts or do I distinctly hear 2 =
guitars playing that intro? One is acoustic the other I swear is =
electric... the one I am calling electric is the one that gives us the =
new funky extra notes.

Is it Geddy backing him with an old 1970s doubleneck?
Is it Alex in 1998 spicing up the old recording?=20
Am I wrong in the first place?



From: Ward Bond 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 01:04:35 -0500
Subject: Rush Chart Update

The latest Rush Chart Update:

Different Stages: #170 this week, #142 last week, #35 peak, 4 weeks on charts

TSOR Single: #28 this week, #28 last week, #27 peak, 7 weeks on charts

Different Stages was awarded an RIAA Gold Album.  However, contrary to the
Atlantic press release, they do not have a consecutive streak of Gold
albums since neither Retrospective I nor II has gone Gold yet.  Otherwise
the rest of their Mercury and Atlantic US catalog is certified Gold or

Ward Bond


Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:51:12 EST
Subject: re:  Fastest Guitarist is definitely...

>No question about it -- the world's fastest Rock & Roll
>guitarist is Nuno Betterncourt from the recently disbanded
>"Extreeme".  If anyone cares to doubt me, please listen to
>the following tracks:

>First part of He-Man Woman Hater from their album

Inane thread....oh well....I know something about fast playing/players so here
goes....  The "Flight of the Wounded Bumblebee" intro to "He-Man Woman Hater"
was done with a digital delay.  Tough stuff, but not it sounds WAY faster than
what he's actually playing.

>Midnight Express from their album "Waiting for the

>If anyone can think of a musician with faster chops, please
>name artist, album and track.  Although I am quite certain
>that there is not another as fast as Nuno.

"Midnight Express" is quick, but quite tame compared to some guys I've heard.
Here's some names of some serious speedy pickers that put Nuno to shame:  John
McLaughlin, Al DiMeola, Paco DeLucia- Passion, Grace and Fire.  Entire cd.
Anything by Steve Morse (SM Band and Dregs), Steve Lukather, Frank Gambale
(Chick Corea), Shawn Lane, Jason Becker, Michael Romeo (Symphony X), Jennifer
Batten, Greg Howe, Jon Finn, Joe Stump, the rest of Berklee's guitar
instructors, etc....  TONS of super fast players out there- TOO many
IMNSHO....  Not that there's anything WRONG with it....

Dan Chernow
Guitarist/sometime shredder/instructor
Phoenix, AZ
Berklee College of Music class of '94


From: FearNo1 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:24:45 -0600
Subject: Gold recordz

According to atlantic site, rush has 22 gold albums, but
if my memory is correct they have 23 albums (16 studio, 4
live, 3 "best of").  So if rush has 22 consecutive gold albums,
the first album, "RUSH", didnt sell atleast 500,000 copies
hunh.. I thought the first album did go gold...?  Does anyone
have an up to date listing of the number of albums sold per
album by the band?  Someone, somewhere out there gotta
be privy to the info  thanx ;-)


From: "Keith Hurst" 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:29:52 GMT
Subject: oops

Hey Chesley -

>I beleive you were wanting to say 3/2 ...ONE..two..three

You are of course correct.  Thanks for pointing this out so politely. 
Time signatures always did do my head in a bit, but that was a silly 
mistake even for me.  I guess I am just so thrilled with DS that my 
brain isn't working properly yet.



From: "Enrico Salvini, the Muffin Man" 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:53:39 +0100
Subject: Re: an observation

On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:36:54, Michael Allan Leach wrote:
>Okay.  I must make an observation.  I went to see Rush in Atlanta during
>the "Roll the Bones" tour, and I must state that it appears that true
>die hard Rush fans are older, married, have college educations, and are
>conservative.   Yes, I've spoken with many true Rush fans, and they all
>seem to be "thinking" people.

I'm single, under-college education, definitely non-conservative but I'm a
die-hard Rush fan. At least I think I am, having travelled in excess of
40,000 miles specifically to attend 11 of their concerts, most of them
Y'gotta be die-hard when you live in a country (Italy) where the band has
never played. Americans have it very, very easy...

>In conclusion, I just wanted to point out that Rush is the "Thinking
>Man's Band."  I know plently of Republicans who concur with me.  And we
>all know that Republicans are really the only one's in the Congress that
>have any real sense.  You know, "I think; therefore, I am Republican."

I know plenty of liberals who'd whup you on the head with a case of
Remasters for writing such a heap on non-sense.
I'd rather be caught with my pants down than be called a Republican. You
know, you gotta love those party's traditions...    ;)


          Visit the website of the only Italian RUSH Tribute band:
                  ATLANTIS -


From: "Chad M Werner" 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:36:54 -0600
Subject: Not the APTB "Sound" Debate Again!

Bruce Carlson wrote:

"Just wanted to say thank you flamers for all the hash words!"

"Hash words"? Whoa, what email list did you mean to send this to? Can I join?

Tee Hee,


From: (Shawn Cook)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:26:15 -0500
Subject: Rush Pinball

     The reason they don't have a Rush pinball game is that the table would 
     have to fill the arcade to get a representative theme, so to speak.  
     Maybe they should do a four-table series, for the (forgive the 
     reference) different stages.


From: Jose Ramos 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:26:35 -0500
Subject: Sorry, but I love CoS

Rob Pagano wrote:

"But even if you don't count By-Tor, then "Fountain of Lamneth" is the
first true epic (being a whole album side and whatnot), even if it's
not my favorite song and it's on my least favorite album"


I am just curious as to how many people think Caress of Steel is their least
favorite album.  Personally, it is in my top three with MP and PeW.  I think
the raw sound is awesome.  And it contains two of my favorite songs, "The
Necromancer" and "The Fountain."  Anyone else agree?

Just for reference, I was not a fan when CoS came out.  I was only 5 years
old for chrisakes.  I became a fan after a friend played MP for me when I
was eleven.

I've seen Rush every tour since GuP.  It was actually my first concert ever.
I had to beg my mother to let me go, since I was fourteen years old.  Ha Ha.
My ultimate would be for Rush to play "The Necromancer" live.  I seriously
doubt this will happen though.



From: Jose Ramos 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:35:16 -0500
Subject: Another BMG question

I for one have enjoyed the BMG debate for the last few weeks.  I happen to
be lucky enough to read TNMS while at work (like I'm sure alot of you do) so
it breaks up the day very nicely.

I have taken advantage of the 11 CDs for 1 special this year and have used
the 7 out of the 11 to update my RUSH collection.

Here's my question:  If they are the same quality, how on earth can they
afford to give them away.  I am almost positive that most people take
advantage of the special, but whatever is the minimum required, and then
quit the club.  How do they stay in business?  Any theories?  I know they
make some money on shipping, but they can't make that much on it.

I am dying to find out, being a marketing major and an MBA student in



From: Craig Brennan 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:46:13 -0500
Subject: Re: An Observation

> Yes, I've spoken with many true Rush fans, and they all
seem to be "thinking" people.

Mmmmm...potato chips.



Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Joe Benson is on this list?!?!?!

Doth mine eyes deceive me?  Or was that actually Uncle Joe Benson contibuting 
valuable info to TNMS?  That is awesome!  I grew up with this guy.  He's got the
best voice in radio!  Hey Joe, the 7th day ain't the same without you! 

A few people have wrote in saying they heard New World Man on the radio in LA.  
While this may register a "yeah, and the sun came out again today" response from
most of you, Rush is not on any radio stations out here.  And for a metropolitan
population of roughly 10-13 million people and 50 radio stations, you'd think 
one would have the decency to play Rush.  Sadly, I believe that the business of 
radio is dictating what's played and not the DJs.  Can you shed any light on 
this, Joe?



From: Mark Lancisi 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:07:41 -0500
Subject: Fastest Guitarist

I really don't think speed is all that important when it comes to guitar
playing, however, its an interesting thread.

Once you get to a certain speed, I think it becomes almost impossible to
distinguish who is faster. What is a better measure is how clear you can
hear each note, and how complex the piece is... Then there is always the
listenability factor.. Melody DOES matter, but for the sake of argument, I'm
not considering it here...

Granted, this thread was pertaining to Rock guitarists but I have to broaden
this a little. The fastest player I have heard, with the most clarity and
complexity, is absolutely Al DiMeola.    There may be others like him or
even more fast, clear and complex, but if there are I have not heard them.
Al is a Jazz/Fusion guy who went to  Berkley School of Music and who has
been around just about as long as Rush. He started in Chick Corea's band, if
memory serves.. Anyway, I recently   saw him live close up at a Jazz club
(like within 5 feet) , and even had him sign my a CD after the show, and let
me tell you, the guy is utterly amazing.  Get the CD's "Kiss My Axe" or
"Orange and Blue" or even his new one "Infinite Desire"  to see what I
mean..  You need to open your mind a little if you tend to be a Rock or even
progressive rock fan, but trust me, once you do,  you'll be addicted...

Farewell to Kings...


From: Ashim 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:13:52 +0600
Subject: You asked about Speed Demons?

Seeing Al DiMeola's mention at TNMS was very cool indeed. One of Al's
fortes is that he has *tremendous* right-hand picking technique and that
this carries over perfectly to the accoustic guitar. He is unbelievably
clean on the accoustic (listen to the original 'Mediterranean Sundance' to
hear this) and he likes to use partial right-hand muting to gain speed and
I always like to mention another guitarist in the same breath as Al DiMeola
  John McLaughlin. To hear these two at their most amazing, IMO, you should
hear their accoustic recordings. John McLaughlin's live 'Shakti' album, on
which he plays an accoustic with Zakir Hussain on 'tabla', features the
fastest playing I have ever heard *on the guitar*, accoustic or electric.
To call it simply 'fast' seems kind of demeaning - 'lightning' is more like

Even better are the live recordings Al and John made together with Paco de
Lucia (the amazing flamenco guitarist). These are 99% improvisation and
sound inaccessible even to hardened players, but they are absolutely *!#%#
crazy!! 'Friday Night in San Francisco' is just one of the recordings that
trio made together.
*IMO* those two play faster any day on the accoustic than Malmsteen has
ever done on the electric. And both of them were huge influences on Alex
Lifeson. When I heard 'La Villa' for the first time, I immediately thought
'Al DiMeola' - the opening accoustic riff, the solo - not as clean and as
fast (listen to the stuff I'm talking about before you flame) but the
influence is there.

P.S. I've heard 'Powers of Ten'. Shawn Lane is fast, but even more amazing
is the sound he gets from his lace-transensor pickups. If you think he was
fast on that album, you ought to hear him in 'Temporal Analogues of
Paradise'!! ;-)


From: "timmy samuel" 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:27:20 -0600
Subject: Mix Magazine Peter Collins Article

Hey folks,
Just thought I'd let y'all know that in this month's Mix magazine, there is
an article on recording drums. They interview some big name producers,
including Peter Collins. He briefly mentions the differences in approach
Rush had for their sound in the '80's as opposed to the last two studio
albums. He also talks very briefly about the work he's done with the Indigo
bye for now,


From: "Jack Hesse" 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:58:10 CST
Subject: A Little Bit of Everything

Hi everybody,

I've not posted in a while but I saw some things that interested me and 
I had to put my 2 cents in.

I consider myself a true Rush fan, even though I've only been into the 
band for a year and a half (just in time to miss the T4E tour).  Sure,  
I'm a "thinking man" with a college education, but other than that, my 
similarities to that other Republican "true fan" ends.  I don't 
associate myself with either flavor of Republicrat.  I'm single.  I'm 
young (well, relatively speaking.. 23 is still considered young, isn't 
it?).  Bleh!  It's all demographics anyway.

I don't think there's any such time signature like X/3.  The bottom 
number indicates what kind of note is counted as a "beat".  2/3 would 
mean that a triplet-half-note (is there such a thing?) would get a beat, 
and there are 2 of these beats in a measure.  Huh?  No, that part of the 
drum solo seems to be in 3/4.  3 quarter-note beats per measure.  I seem 
to remember a similar debate coming up on the King Crimson mailing list.

Relayer takes some getting used to.  It helps to be predisposed to 
liking Yes.  For the new Yes listener, I recommend something a little 
more straight-forward, like Fragile or The Yes Album.  Relayer is much 
more experimental and harder to listen to.

Which reminds me.  Does "The Spirit of Radio" remind anybody else of 
some of the riffs in "Roundabout"?

I also agree with those who deride that guy's #20 ranking of p/g, which 
happens to be my 2nd favorite Rush album.  Dark?  Paranoid?  Minor?  
Emotional?  Bring it on!

The first time I heard 2112 on DS, I thought it sounded much lower than 
just tuned down just one whole step.  I thought it was like B or 
something.  Heavy!  I love it!

I still remember my favorite Rush radio moment, when they played YYZ 
(from E...SL) and La Villa Strangiato (from Hemispheres) back-to-back.    
This was in Janesville, WI, when a station there was in a transition 
period (they had a rock format then; now I think they play dance music).

First epic song?  It's all subjective.  For someone out there, "Finding 
My Way" could be an epic.  And who knows?  Maybe they had "epic" songs 
way back before they even recorded anything.

I know a lot of you are entertained by flames, but I'm not.  Sorry, but 
I'd like to see them stop, or at least kept off the public list when 
they are private in nature.

I highly doubt they used a Taurus II on "Xanadu".  I don't think the 
Taurus II came out until 1979 or so, and most likely after AFTK came 
out.  Most likely they used an original Taurus.  The original Taurus 
sounds better than the Taurus II anyway, and is better at producing that 
classic growl/whomp that the Taurus is famous for.  Anybody else here 
play a Taurus (either kind)?  Do Geddy and Alex still use theirs?  Would 
they be willing to sell me one? :)

What's this about 22 gold Rush records being all of their releases?  
There's the 16 studio albums, the 4 live albums, Archives, Chronicles, 
and the 2 Retrospectives.  So, which ones haven't gone gold?  I would 
imagine the Retrospectives, since those are so new, and most of us have 
all those songs anyway.



Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:40:46 -0800
Subject: Mixing Neil's Drums

I finally took some time last night to listen to some of the Rush re-masters on
my stereo, specifically "Hold Your Fire" and "Signals" and I noticed something I
don't remember ever noticing before.  (I should mention I've played drums for 20
years, so I always pay close attention to Neil.)  On HYF Neil's drums are mixed
as though you are sitting at his drums (ride cymbal on the right, toms panned
left to right, etc.).  I could have sworn every album was mixed as though you
were looking at them on-stage and I remember I used to listen to Rush through
headphones backwards (left phone on right ear) so I could feel like I was
sitting at Neil's drums.  I thought there was something wrong with my stereo, so
I threw in "Signals" and sure enough that one is mixed as I recall -- like you
are looking at them.  Does anyone know why HYF is different?  Is it the only
album like this?  Is it just the remaster?

Anyway, it made me very happy.


From: "dietrologia dietrologia" 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:58:40 PST
Subject: Crappy Snare-Drum Sound

Does anybody else think that Neil's snare sounds terrible during The 
Trees and on other older tunes from DS?  Needs to be tightened up--fire 
the drum tech!


From: Rob Pagano 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:28:09 -0500
Subject: Album certification

Okay here's an interesting question I was recently discussing with
someone.  Maybe someone can shed some insight....

Why is it that whenever you see a Rush Discography, the Retrospectives
albums are not listed?  Is it not a "real" album for some reason?

On the TNMS website, the discography does not include Retro OR Archives.
And most website discographies ignore both of those albums (including

   [ They're not included because I don't have them :-)     : rush-mgr ]

And in the recent press release from Atlantic Records about DS going
gold, they refer to "22 albums, the band's entire catalog".  Well, I
count 16 studio albums, 4 live albums, and I guess they're counting
Chronicles & Archives.  Where are Retro I & II ???  And how come they
cound Archives but TNMS does not and most Rush fans do not?

Furthermore, when I went to the RIAA website (where they list all the
gold & platinum certifications), Archives is there, Chronicles is there,
but NOT Retrospectives I & II.  I'm sure that Retro went at least Gold,
but it's not there.

Can anyone help me out with this quixotic pursuit of mine?


Each of us, a cell of awareness, imperfect and incomplete, genetic
blends with uncertain ends, on a fortune hunt that's far too fleet.


From: "Catherine Brissette" 
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:31:32 PST
Subject: just had to comment...

This is in reply to Cat's memo.  I agree with you.  I don't think anyone
should stereotype the "Diehard Rush Fan" or stereotype anybody for that
matter.  However I am mainly focused on the fact that Rush Fans are older.
I myself just turned 23 (Think what you want but I'm a diehard).  Most of
the other stuff is true, I am married, college edjumacated.  But I am not
So, Cat if  you get flamed, we can get flamed together.

J. Chris Littlejohn-MCSE
LAN Engineer
Guidant Corporation
Pg-800-759-8888 PIN 1713822


Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:15:48 EST
Subject: Winston Churchill would've been a Rush fan

Michael Leach said "I must state that it appears that true die hard Rush fans
are older, married, have college educations, and are conservative."

And someone replied "does that mean once I'm married--I pass on all other

And I respond: once you're married and providing for others, especially your
children, or running your own business, etc., your priorities and political
beliefs change (once you've openned your eyes).  I don't want to talk politics
in the NMS (its like beating a dead horse, eh?), so I'll end my comments with
the following quote which sums it up quite well:  

"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who
is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains. " - Sir Winston

Of course in todays society, ol' Winston would have to be politically correct
and substitue "person" for "man", lest he offend someone!

Hanstones <- free to all liberals and conservatives


From: Scott Finkel 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:02:23 -0800
Subject: some things

Keith Hurst"  had this to say:
Hello -

Is it just my imagination, or has the NMS turned pretty much into one 
big sarcastic flame session in recent weeks?

Keith, you whining bastard. What do you care? If you don't like it, stop
listening to the music, you @-hole!! If I wanted to hear from an ass, I'd
fart!! Keep your rotten, stinking, opinion-----oh. Wait. Pardon me; I thought
this was the $25 argument. So sorry.
            |||                  happy hannukah, NMS!!

John Jorgensen  said to Alvaro Graves who asked:

>>    Just to feed my curiosity.. Can somebody tell me who is the fastest
>>  guitarrist in the world? How many notes per minute?....

> It's not how many notes you play, it's how you use them!

Size ** does ** matter! If you say it doesn't, you're either jealously
inadequate, or a Man! (what? oh yeah, *I'm* a Man--oops.)


Pete  said to Rob Pagano  ::

>> Since you had such a problem with my "suggestion" of
>> ribbons maybe you should take the time to actually READ my post 

> Pretty harsh words Rob.  I must have really caught you on a bad day.  The
> fact is, I knew it was a joke, everyone knew it was a joke.  You told us it
> was, remember dildo?

> Rob, why don't you read MY post.

No, wait, read MY post. No, read MINE!!  No, read MINE!! GAWD, YOU GUYS ARE

But I have a question: Pete, were you really checking to see if Rob remembered
his dildo?   =)

 ->Scott "I Once Was The Breadman, But Now I Like Chevy Trucks ('59, that
is--in my garage)"


ps: does anyone else on this list have an old truck? I'm getting ready to
put a
stereo in it, but I'm not gonna hack up the dashboard. Its original. I'm
to figure out the best place to put the speakers without hacking into the door
panels, either. 


From: Scott Finkel 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:06:50 -0800
Subject: a funny one

Rich Rochelle  had this gem to add to our digest
day, on the Subject: Mike Bahr and Prism Records::::

> Yo,

> I, too, have been dicked out of my boots that I was oh so excited to be
> getting!  Yippie!  What a dick.  My boots have "being mailed" since June on

Man, you gotta take those boots off before you "get dicked." I'm laughinf
so hard right now I 'cajt even type!!!! My cubicle-mate is wondering what
the hell is going on with the giggling over here!! 

"Dicked out of my boots"  "that I was oh so excited to be getting"
 -alltime, world-class Hilarity--right there, baby!!!!!!!!

thanks for the much needed chortle--snort-giggle-laugh!!



From: "Pete & Rhonda Mills" 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:05:56 -0600
Subject: Relayer By Yes, Brad Webb! / Small sighting

Hey Rush-Heads.  A reply to Brad's justification of checking out Yes' =

An admitted Yes fan for many of the same musical reasons I enjoy Rush, =
Relayer is up there for a Yes favorite of mine.  My biggest defense =
usually lies in the incredible dexterity it takes to play ALL the parts =
for Gates of Delerium. Vocals, guitar, bass, drums, keyboards... Totally =
phenomenal, yet still flawed.  Not FM friendly, and not widely heard and =
enjoyed by Yes fans in 1975 because so many bailed after the first live =
album & Topographic Oceans - Relayer's predecessors.

There's a point during Gates that most listeners interpret as one big, =
mad, English art-rock amplified Cluster Fuck... that's approaching the =
big slowing climax before the 2nd to last slow theme bursts in.  No =
matter how I tried, I could never hit the mark OR count that entire =
section, pretty much a necessity if you're going to play along on the =
drums.  =20

In a way, I've always conceded as a listener to what the composers MEANT =
to convey with that song, but couldn't quite hit exactly where most =
listeners decide it makes for good music.  I cut them slack as a player, =
acknowledging the technical point being made instead of the musical one.

Lots of people feel the same way about Rush... that the technical side =
of their wonderful playing sacrifices an emotional hit -sometimes-, or =
that certain something that gaurantees big radio exposure, whatever that =
may be that month. =20

Too bad for them.

Check out the live performances of the songs from Relayer & you might =
find they take on needed life from the live setting & arrangement.

Just don't play it at parties.   Not pretty.

Mas Rush Content.  Since DS is hanging well on the charts, it made a =
mention in a syndicated article about this holiday's live music =
selections, which I saw in San Antonio's Express-News.  3 1/2 stars, =
positive mentions of it being a "...good starting point for the new =
listner, a must-have for any Rush fan, a decent cross-section of Rush as =
a whole....", or words to that effect.  And a photo of Ged.  Good stuff!

Pete Mills


From: John Lupoli 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:25:38 -0500
Subject: Pics

Hi fellow Rushians,
	I need your help. I want to get all the liner note pics from Rush's
albums. I have some of the liner note pics, but not all of them. Here's
what I have so far and what I don't have so far.

Rush				Check
Fly By Night			Check
Caress Of Steel			None
2112				Group shot only, no singles
All the World's A Stage		None
A Farewell To Kings		Alex's pic only
Hemispheres			None
Permanent Waves			None
Moving Pictures			None
Exit... Stage Left		Check
Signals				None
Grace Under Pressure		Check
Power Windows			Check
Hold Your Fire			None
A Show Of Hands			A couple of pics, not all of them
Presto				I don't have this album yet, so I 				wouldn't know 
Roll The Bones			Check
Counterparts			None
Test For Echo			(*No pictures in this album)
Different Stages		None

	Can you guys help me out with the pics that I don't have. I would
greatly appreciate this.

Matt Lupoli
Age: 14
North Haven, Ct


From: "Tom Gilmartin" 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:00:13 -0500
Subject: Fast Playing

Brad Webb wrote:

>No question about it -- the world's fastest Rock & Roll
>guitarist is Nuno Betterncourt from the recently disbanded
>"Extreeme".  If anyone cares to doubt me, please listen to
>the following tracks:
>First part of He-Man Woman Hater from their album
>Midnight Express from their album "Waiting for the

Yes, these are really fast.  No way to say who is the
fastest (who cares anyway, just LISTEN (Rush Content -
Didacts and Narpets))

Other really, really fast stuff:

Whitesnake's album "Slip of the tongue" track 6
"Wings of the Storm".  Solo starts around 2:14 -
great stuff so diverse and it's loong - 1m16sec.
At 3:04 a passage comes on and you think "Damn,
that's fast.  Just warming up, because at 3:17
he shows his true power - this is *!*FAST*!*
One of the best solos I've ever heard.  None
other than Steve Vai, I would say possibly the
most creative guitarist who ever lived.  He 
defers to Hendrix, but Steve has NO limits.

T-Ride's album "T-Ride", track 5 "I Hunger"
Check the run at 0:49 - wicked.  Track 9,
"Bone Down" is awesome for sheer wild 
MIDI-type sounds.  Guitarist: Jeff Tyson,
studied with Joe Satriani.

Song most used to show off speed:
  "Flight of the Bumblebee"

Versions I know of:

Tony MacAlpine's album "Madness" track 7
"Confrontation with the Electric Bees"

Nuno Bettencourt on Extreme's "Pornograffitti"
track 11 part 1 "Flight of the Wounded Bumble Bee"
As referred to above, this is really fast.  Did
you know Nuno transcribed it, every other one of
those notes are produced by a delay unit?  It
was in an interview in GFTPM.  The piece is still
really difficult, as Nuno said his hand hurts 
whenever he finishes playing it.

Jennifer Batten on her solo album "Above Below
and Behind" (Sounds like the title to a track by
our favorite band, eh?) track 1 "Flight of the
Bumblebee"  Note no doubling here, this is done
with 2 hand tapping.  Unreal.  I saw her do it
on one of those terrible late-night infomercials
for guitar videos.  Sad that a guitarist this
good has to do something like that for money.

If some of you wanna hear this stuff, backchannel
me and I will consider mp3-ing the stuff onto my
web page.

Sorry this is so long.

Mr Mogul


Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:20:13, -0500
Subject: Republicans

I found the whole "I think, therefore I am Republican" thing smug, 
distasteful and most importantly, inaccurate. I've met lots of people 
of varying political stripes who've been articulate and intelligent. 
Haven't always agreed with them, but that didn't make them any less 
smart. I think anyone who believes their political party to be the 
one with the monopoly on the truth is deeply, deeply misguided.

As far as this concerns our fave band, they seem to embrace a number 
of notions, political and otherwise, that fall on many  degress on 
both sides of the conservative/liberal fence.

Remeber--your karma will run over your dogma evertime....

"Some worldviews are spacious
Some are merely spaced..."

If you're a Christian--Merry Christmas
If you're Jewish--Happy Hannukah
If you're Muslim--Have a fulfilling Ramadan
If you're African-- Happy Kwanzaa
If you're a Snake Worshipper of Satan....well, try and have a nice 

Peace, Love, and Understanding,


From: Andrew_Inzer 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:15:46 -0500
Subject: Rush

I just wanted to say something about Rush fans.  I am still a college
student, and I only know of 2 other die hard Rush fans at any other school.
 Its hard to find people at school who have even heard of Rush, let alone
recognize any of their songs.  Its ashamed that this is, but it seems the
younger generation is overcome by the new trash music scene.  Maybe there
should be a rush revolution or something of the sort.  I may add my $.02-I
hope rush has one last tour, because I missed T4E at and PISSED about it.  

Drew Inzer


From: "Anderson, Chris " 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 00:18:21 -0500
Subject: Your NMS Post Concerning "Relayer"


I found the Relayer quite hard to get into on a first
listen.....BUT....I had only listened to Yes for
abotu a month at that point.  I loved Fragile and then
went and bought Relayer.  Fragile is a great introduction
to Yes, whereas Relayer is really for the seasoned Yes
listener.  I can tell you this, the album is unbelievably
cool once you have about three listens.  Soundchaser
is fantastic and the musicianship of all members is great.

Geddy probably likes it for the dynamics and the "strangeness"
of the album.  For 1974, that album was priceless and was very, very,
very futuristic sounding!  I admit, it's not my fav. album but I think
you and I both would have REALLy appreciated this album
a bit more way back in 1974.  (I am only 25)

Chris A.


From: "Michael Z. Williamson" 
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 00:55:51 -0800

For the gentleman taking me to task for opposing Neil's illogical stand
on guns:

1:  He's entitled to his opinion.
2:  His lyrics suggest he would like us to think for ourselves, not
blindly follow an authority figure.  Good thing, because:
3:  He smokes.  Is that wise?
4:  The only proveable argument for vegetarianism is that it is cheaper
in terms of acreage per calorie produced.  Were Neil logical in his
environmentalism, he'd be a vegetarian.
5:  Despite his lyrical objection to socialism and oppression, he
continues to live in a nation that confiscates, at a guess, 80% of his
income in taxes.
6:  Neil, as a self-professed libertarian, seems quite willing to invade
other people's rights and privacy if guns are in the equation, and by
remaining in Canada supports the oppressive burden personal income tax
and other regressive taxes place on those with less than his money.
7:  Speaking of money, I'm sure Neil lives in a nice neighborhood, and
has all his banking done for him.  I doubt he actually takes his
Thousand$$$$ to the bank in cash the way some of us in business must.
8:  Again as a professed libertarian, he should recognize my common-law
right to defend myself (oh, yes--he'll let me use my bare hands. 
Unfortunately, the crowbar-weilding imbecile I had to contend with
didn't see them as a threat.  I have the skill to have crippled him and
disarmed him with my bare hands, but my .45 was a much more convincing
argument--and no lives were lost, no one injured, no police paperwork
needed to be filled out.  Saved the taxpayers a bundle, but I digress.)  
9:  Claims to the contrary, Neil is a liberal socialist.  And that is
his right.  I respect him for his music and talent.  I do not blindly
worship him for his politics.  I save that for Washington and Jeffeson,
10:  Kept slaves.  Should I follow their example, too?

Nomex underwear is wonderful stuff.
mike  Edged weaponry, from the stone age to the space

Mathematically, I'm certain there are gun-control proponents who are not
paranoid, phobic, or irrational.  I just haven't met any yet.


From: "Pat Larson" 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 04:03:02 -0700
Subject: Prism records - for the LAST time

The Prism records saga (or maybe tragedy is a better word) is over. Mr. Bahr 
has declared bankruptcy, so those of us waiting patiently and endlessly for 
CDs can write this off once and for all.

The whole sob story (from Bahr's POV) is at

At this time, it is hard for me to conjure up lots of sympathetic feelings 
when I think back to my completely unfilled 20 CD order, but maybe that will 

I hope you all have a better holiday season than Mike - and I hope your 
commitments for 1998 were better kept.


np - Mercyful Fate - Don't Break the Oath
who do you think can sing higher - Geddy in his heyday or King Diamond (albiet 


Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:33:26 -0600
Subject: RE: Deeper Into The Rhythm Method

>From: "B.J. Morgan" 
>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:02:05 -0500
>Subject: Deeper Into the Rhythm Method

>Hey BJ, I love your analysis of the Rhythm Method.  I sat through it
>a few times with your list in front of me, and I must admit I never
>heard some of the transitions before until you pointed them out.
>I actually got tingles listening to it!

>Good job dude!


Amen to that.  As a guitar player, I'm good at breaking down and =
analyzing what Alex is doing, but with the drums....I'm kinda lost.  I =
think we need more postings like the one BJ wrote instead of the wars =
that people are waging against one another.

"You can be the captain, and I will draw the charts. Sailing into =
destiny, closer to the heart"

  Max Richard


From: "Juno of Many Names" 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 09:42:31 PST
Subject: Re: Whatever happened to Juno?

I tried to reply to this already, but I clicked "reply" instead
of using the correct address :^/

I'm Juno! The person who asked- is that you, Zuck? Cool.

I haven't posted much because I don't have time to read the whole
NMS's and reply to a bunch of stuff. I'm getting married on 12/22,
so I won't be Julie Oneida, I'll be Juno Farnsworth (the Indiana
Motor Vehicles Dept. will take my word for name changes, so I can
put in the new first name also.) I'm back in school- Purdue premed.

DS kicks ass! My fiance watched me listening to LTTA! and said that
I get the same look on my face during foreplay :^).

So, are all those other weirdos who went to the CP Pittsburgh
get-together still here too?


Quote of the week:
Depression: Don't call in sick; call in with a vague sense of doom.


From: Dennis Benjamin 
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 13:14:51
Subject: Thinking sometimes gets us in trouble........

Hey there, Hi there, Ho there....

     I was just thinking (a bad habit, I know). I get a laugh out of some
of these posts. Some people on here are truely amazing and some are, well,
comical to say the least. I have enjoyed my first year of TNMS, and I look
forward to many more. Happy holidays, fellow RUSH FANS.

(Tennessee license number THX2112)


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